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Some of this community...lunatics?
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#21 - 2015-09-24 15:40:13 UTC
OP... take some of my sage-like advice;

- don't take anything too seriously in the game. It's all posturing and chestbeating... most of it ironic in nature.

- the game allows you to do some pretty nasty stuff. But that's part of the game. Mechanically, it all holds the same weight as someone pulling off a quadruple jump in Checkers. Will you feel bad and demoralized? Certainly. Does it make your opponent a "bad person?" Nope. Not even if he/she said "I blitzkreged you!"

- Some people (Aussies especially) show affection by being massive penises and "getting under the skin."
It's no joke either. When they feel comfortable with you they feel they can be a bit mean. And the meaner you are at each other, the closer you supposedly are.
Then again...

- Sometimes the road to success lies in lunacy.

How did you Veterans start?
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-09-24 16:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
A small minority is vocal compared to a vast majority of players. Is a psychology that exists in every game. Just look at local of the busy systems. 0.01% of the players have the gamer mentality in game you describe essentially. Some people just take their "I'm a bad guy" attitude a bit too far.

Eve was founded on the core concept of space being a harsh place so moderation, and being a bad guy is part of the appeal as is being a good guy in amongst the trolls. That said, the EULA still applies and if something is taken too far, you are well within your right to petition.

Personally, I find part of the charm of this game is playing and avoiding said gankers and criminals. The mechanics behind it definitely can use some more refinement, but those of us "honorable" players are more than willing to give good advice. The new player section of forum which I do not frequent enough is a good way to get advice. Note trolls can exist here, so ask honestly and straight forward and you will get good replies in there.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#23 - 2015-09-24 21:20:17 UTC
Drathen Durelion wrote:
So i started to look for groups to see what kind of things are going on in the different parts of space, and what i found is pretty disturbing.

I'm not distrubed by the fact that some of these partake in ganking, kamikazing, and in general trying to eat over the weak and the PVEers.

What makes me uneasy is when you read their intro messages and their discussions and terms, etc. They speak as if they were gods, or heroes, omniscient beings of supreme power or something.

Their speech at time can be compared to ***/Nazi preaching...

I mean...what the hell? That is advanced batshit insane stuff right there.

Ya, it's like they are immortal or something.
Drathen Durelion
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-09-24 21:49:43 UTC
For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.


''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''

And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.

Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing.
Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#25 - 2015-09-24 22:59:01 UTC
Drathen Durelion wrote:
For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.


''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''

And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.

Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing.


This isn't really an appropriate subforum to post rants against player organizations that you disapprove of. I'm ok with it though. But consider this - just because you don't get the joke doesn't mean it's not funny.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#26 - 2015-09-24 23:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
You're failing to account for the nature of EVE. EVE is a game where every narrative of note is player created and player driven. Things happen in EVE because of the things that players say and do to each other, not because of in-universe lore. Meta-game motivations for in game activities are common and normal.

Because these meta-game motivations are widespread, because even simple activities are often incredibly complex and require a lot of co-ordination and because clear and effective communications are actually important in EVE because things actually have consequences almost all players use "out of character" communications almost all of the time.

In the case of CODE. you have a group of players who agree with James315's views about bot aspirancy, so in game they play the role of CODE. agents, it used to be common for them to come across like terrorists or insane religious fanatics, but over time as CODE. have become more entrenched and effective the character of the CODE. agent has evolved into being more like the Secret Police of a fascist police state.

This combination of meta-game business and people actually doing the things they say they do (unlike with conventional roleplayers who say they do things that are mechanically impossible in-game) results in something that could easily be mistaken for players coming across as complete lunatics when they're actually just "Being the Villain" (which was in fact an EVE advertising scheme).
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#27 - 2015-09-24 23:31:22 UTC
Drathen Durelion wrote:
For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.

You just lost me.

My most recent encounter with bumping.

and

Mining Safely

I fully support all pilots having fun in EVE, regardless of how they do it.
Sere O'Asis
Desert Oasis Investigations
#28 - 2015-09-25 00:58:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sere O'Asis
Drathen Durelion wrote:
For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.


''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''

And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.

Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing.





Hi, and welcome to EVE.

I get where you're coming from; I, too, paused when I first started the game, and saw such rhetoric. It took me a while to understand what was going on, and if you play long enough, you, too, will understand.

EVE's Bad Guys are not lame computer generated enemies. EVE's Bad Guys are other players. And EVE's Bad Guys make the game!

No one would have played EVE for 10 years running if all they had for opponents were a bunch of red crosses.

No, people have played because of Code, or the Goons, or Pandemic Legion, or BOB, or the corp over in the next system that just muscled you out of your playing area. EVE's Bad Guys are why players have stayed.

Think of it this way:

Die Hard: John McClane and Hans Gruber
Raiders of the Lost Ark: Indiana Jones and Rene Belloq
Casablanca: Rick Blaine and Captain Renault
Batman: Batman and the Joker

Memorable movies all, enhanced immeasurably by their villains.


EVE without it's player/villains would have languished long ago.
Memphis Baas
#29 - 2015-09-25 01:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
There's a certain fun to be had from running a protection racket while being exceedingly polite, or exceedingly a lunatic. Victims are typically furious, but can't even vent their anger in a stream of expletives, because you're always posting polite nonsense on the forums, following all the rules of course.

"You have to pay us money so something bad doesn't happen to you." = protection racket.
All the bull about James 315 and the code of conduct = extra entertainment

The PVP in this game is quite advanced, and often psychological. We bait, we provoke, we trick, we scam, we use other people's anger against them, we cause tears. If the in-game statistics say you shouldn't undock that ship because you'll lose it against overwhelming force, we'll use your emotions to get you to undock anyway, just to have a fight.
Agent Grzzly
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-09-25 03:23:09 UTC
I'm the most humble guy you've ever met.

PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-09-25 05:00:36 UTC
Drathen Durelion wrote:
For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.


''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''

And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.

Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing.

hahaha

you're adorable
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#32 - 2015-09-27 14:58:10 UTC
On the "sociopathic" comments, yes EVE attracts sociopaths, but they're not who most people think they are.

People who choose to play a competitive spaceship game, and then start frothing at the mouth when they lose a spaceship (or ISK, or any other form of pixels) and resort to name-calling, RL death threats and everything in between... they are the real sociopaths here.

Relax, it's a game...
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#33 - 2015-09-27 17:10:19 UTC
Hello there, a bit off-topic and I apologise in advance, but please bear with me...




The word 'lunatic' is a pejorative term referring to those with mental illnesses - this has been recognised by several governments (for example, the United States - see here, 'S. 2367').


I implore you to please edit the thread title. While this post might seem irrelevant or nit-picking, I'm just trying to raise awareness of how the meaning of our language can change over time, for better or worse. Thank you!


OT:


There are unbalanced people here (try putting a contract up in Jita? I hope you've got a thick skin, even if it's legitimate!), but that's certainly true of all games and all spheres of life. I'm pretty sure the whole game isn't filled with unpleasant people, though the combination of anonymity and internet spaceships does occasionally create quite vile online personas.

Having said that, I've met some of the nicest and most reliable people on EVE - YMMV :)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Agent Grzzly
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-09-27 19:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Grzzly
Drathen Durelion wrote:
For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.


''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''

And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.

Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing.



You are right about this one, brother. It's not roleplay, that's a poor and inaccurate way to describe what we agents do.

We're not pretending to be ~real spaceship pilots~, we are people playing a video game who claim sovereignty in highsec. We're also the good guys, fighting for the good of New Eden.

That's not RP, and yes, I really believe it.

PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#35 - 2015-09-27 21:47:37 UTC
Sometimes, on occasion, we EvE players can be quite around the bend, yes.

Just don't leave, otherwise we might really lose it....Twisted


On a more serious note, welcome to the wonderful universe of New Eden.Smile

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-09-28 13:20:24 UTC
Trevor Dalech wrote:
On the "sociopathic" comments, yes EVE attracts sociopaths, but they're not who most people think they are.

People who choose to play a competitive spaceship game, and then start frothing at the mouth when they lose a spaceship (or ISK, or any other form of pixels) and resort to name-calling, RL death threats and everything in between... they are the real sociopaths here.

Relax, it's a game...


In my world of psychology, being a bad guy in a game and being a prick in game are no condusive to eachother. I have no respect for people that act like pricks or take joy in being a psychological jerk to another player. Example: The core goon psychological attitude from my dealings with them. The things said, linked etc. to get a "rise" out of people and "just being bad guys"? Nope it is the person, not gameplY that give that mental game foothold. Those that take part and support it? Well, that is what they want they are, even subtley on the outside. Rants etc? Depends on cause.

I do not consider those as bad. I resolve them in character without breaking character, but others antagonize it further and enjoy it. No respect for them in or out of game.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#37 - 2015-09-28 22:06:16 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Trevor Dalech wrote:
On the "sociopathic" comments, yes EVE attracts sociopaths, but they're not who most people think they are.

People who choose to play a competitive spaceship game, and then start frothing at the mouth when they lose a spaceship (or ISK, or any other form of pixels) and resort to name-calling, RL death threats and everything in between... they are the real sociopaths here.

Relax, it's a game...


In my world of psychology, being a bad guy in a game and being a prick in game are no condusive to eachother. I have no respect for people that act like pricks or take joy in being a psychological jerk to another player. Example: The core goon psychological attitude from my dealings with them. The things said, linked etc. to get a "rise" out of people and "just being bad guys"? Nope it is the person, not gameplY that give that mental game foothold. Those that take part and support it? Well, that is what they want they are, even subtley on the outside. Rants etc? Depends on cause.

I do not consider those as bad. I resolve them in character without breaking character, but others antagonize it further and enjoy it. No respect for them in or out of game.
He does have a point though, a very large percentage of people who embrace the "dark" side ingame are pretty normal and approachable people once you get past their RP, most of them tend to be pretty helpful too if they're approached right, on the other hand some of the people who engage in the the "light" side ingame are rude, abusive and just don't know when to stop, however you approach them.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-09-29 13:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Cherri Minoa wrote:
For the other 1% that are genuinely nasty and cross the line with racism, sexism, bigotry, real life threats etc., CCP wll take action.


So will the players, from my experience. Only few groups I've been in tend to accept such behaviour within their ranks and should a player turn out to be as bad a person as he plays a character. At least it will raise some serious internal discussion (drama), often more.

It's just difficult to say where the line is, one should not cross - both for the ones acting and for the ones percieving the action. The fact that a big part of the playerbase tends to take the game very, very seriously does not exactly help in that regard, but it would not be eve without those.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-09-29 14:18:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

He does have a point though, a very large percentage of people who embrace the "dark" side ingame are pretty normal and approachable people once you get past their RP, most of them tend to be pretty helpful too if they're approached right, on the other hand some of the people who engage in the the "light" side ingame are rude, abusive and just don't know when to stop, however you approach them.

I support this notion from my experience playing the game so far.

The people who are associated with "unlawful" activities are usually the more reasonable and emotionally stable people. The reason is, that people that gank or do piracy usually just play the game to watch ships explode. EvE is just another shooting game, with some slight different mechanics compared to your average FPS.

In the case of CODE, one need to remember they are fundamentally a RP corporation. They are enforcing a code that is stated on their website. Their agents have to RP individuals devoted to that divine cause (basically they HAVE to RP a religious lunatic), so obviously they will come across as one. But that does not mean, that the person behind the screen is socially unstable. If you cannot see past RP and real-life, then I am guessing that you are the one having a problem.

On the other hand, we have the "lawful" population of EvE. While I have met plenty of stable "highseccers", this group of people are usually the ones that most often resort to verbal abuse or "throwing a fit". I am guessing, that it is their emotional attachment to an arbitrary asset that makes them feel this way. When they lose something in the game, that in their mind, they should not be able to lose. They will feel violated. When you feel actions towards you are unjust (even if the system support these actions), you often will not cope with this in a rational manner.
Rayne Soomer Evingod
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2015-09-29 17:00:22 UTC
Agent Grzzly wrote:
Drathen Durelion wrote:
For those asking, yes i am referring to CODE. but its not entirely them. there seems to be a handful of groups wearing the tag ''James 315'' and all bear the same hate preaching.


''We will decide how YOU play this game because it is OUR game, and we are rulers, nd you are nothing but a peon, and if you don't, we will destroy you and your family.''

And i mean, you can say all you want that this is roleplay, but ive played enough DnD and did LARP to know what roleplay is.

Their texts are just about all written Out of Character, and use out-game terms on several occasions. That to me indicates that they really think what they are writing.



You are right about this one, brother. It's not roleplay, that's a poor and inaccurate way to describe what we agents do.

We're not pretending to be ~real spaceship pilots~, we are people playing a video game who claim sovereignty in highsec. We're also the good guys, fighting for the good of New Eden.

That's not RP, and yes, I really believe it.



Ok that just made me giggle like a little girl.
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