EVE General Discussion

No it's not, it's the entire point. What you're saying is that it's fine for people to have ridiculously high reward at nearly no risk because the group of players they target are terrible. and you don;t see how that is gamebreakingly bad. Imagine a matchmade shooter if it just allowed the hardcore nolifers to pick the easiest target they wanted. Sure, they'd have fun with there 300-0 k:d, but the game integrity would suffer.

CODE are a bunch of bored nullsec players who extort ISK while following a dude who still hasn't stopped crying that mining barges were balanced.

It's the softest possible targets, most of which are rookies. They may not necessarily be new as in have new characters, but they generally lack experience and are not very good. You may think it's hilarious to go around bashing terribles and acting like it means a damn thing, personally I like games to be challenging.

It's exactly what you said because it's exactly what you support. You support a mechanic that rewards players most for picking the softest targets. That you cast the blame for that purely onto players who don;t know any better is even worse.

Sure they are, you can just not be in corp or you can roll it and watch people scream about how evil you are for rolling. That doesn't mean the system isn't broken.

Grain of salt here. Interaction with veterans in general improves the experience. But a co-operative experience yields positive results. Grief ends majority in leaving. Good thing that even a tiny percentage stays.

I'm saying that terrible players make themselves targets by being terrible players, if they were better players who understood the mechanics at hand they wouldn't be easy targets.

I'm coming at this from the angle of suggesting people make use of the mechanics already available to them, you're coming at it from the angle of terrible players should remain terrible and be protected from better players that they might learn from.

That may well be true, that doesn't alter the fact that they have done exactly what you suggest and have laid claim to an area of space and are trying to levy taxation on the people that use that space. Their method is irrelevant, they are doing what you suggested.

And? I'm not very good at BF or CoD, in fact I downright suck at them. I'm learning from the people that I play with and getting better; yeah I die more often than not but I don't ask that my opponents refrain from engaging me because I suck. The same applies in Eve.

Allowing terrible players to remain terrible is far crueler than trying to show them how to be better players.

Make all the assumptions you want, I said nothing of the kind and in most games, including Eve, I am the terrible player.

No. I neither actively support nor oppose the wardec mechanics, I accept them for what they are and choose to remain in an NPC corp.

I also didn't blame players who don't know better, if anybody is at fault it's the do-gooders who make no attempts to combat their ignorance of game mechanics by way of informing or showing them what options are available to them, all the while making lots of noise and decrying those who do know about them.

No, they don't. Terrible players exist everywhere, but they are specific targets of wardeccers because they are more rewarding for lower risk.

But they haven't. They've trolled local and demanded random payments for promises they may or may not deliver. What I'm talking about is making a system where the system itself steers reward towards people who take higher risks, you know, how risk/rewards is supposed to actually work.

And you get seeded against people you stand a chance against. Likewise the best players get put against other good players, because the game relies on being challenging for all players. If they took that away so you were pitted against the absolutel best you'd rapidly realise it's a terrible idea.

Which is supporting them... Keeping them as is is supporting them as they are.

Yeah, it's the do-gooders fault that the "hardcore" PvPers won;t engage unless they have a 99% chance of victory.

delete please

Counter argument.

NPC corp posting privileges outside of New Citizens needs to go.

The ability to post on any board on this site besides New Citizens Q&A.

Because they are terrible. And if they weren't, wardeccers would just pick people that are. All the time there are bad and new players (which is always) they will be targeted because the mechanics favour those targets. If those players learn, different ones will e picked. I really don't know how you still don't get this. The mechanics should favour picking a challenging target. You can keep saying "but people should learn" until the cows come home, but it doesn't change the reason the lowest bar players are picked.

No they don't. Look, I'm not going to discuss code here, it's off topic. I get that you seem to appreciate what they do, but they are not a solution for broken mechanics.

TQ is a public server.

Clearly we're not going to get anywhere here. I get it, you want to keep the mechanics so that easy people are always the best targets and want to sit there trying to blame everyone except the actual problem (the mechanics themselves) to justify selecting low risk, no effort targets for the best reward. You're no different from some guy that's found a way to make at bank off of rinsing a level 1 mission and won't give it up because it's easy and rewarding.

Just wonderful Lucas, I will repeat that quote because its so spot on.

OK It's been a couple of days since I have read this post. For those that supported this thread, thank you. I have "liked" on as many as the posts I could find.

I think it's important to understand a few things here. I don't have EVE. I actually really love EVE. And want to see it not drive itself into the ground. And IMO, I am seeing EXACTLY that happening right now.

I've run several corps over the years, each time trying to build my player base of newbro players. Taking them and showing them how to fit their ships according to their traits, how to run NPC missions and make money. Granted I've always been one for combat. However the point here is, due to the game mechanics, we have gotten war decced. Back in the earlier days it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now. But still. Every couple of months, a wardec. And what can a new player do? yes, jump into a T1 hull and fight. Of course there is always that option. But guess what, T1 hulls still cost money. And those new players just aren't in a position to do that. Most don't have hundreds of millions or even billions of isk sitting in their wallet.

So what ends up happening is those players get bored. They can't undock. They log out of the game for a week or 2, logging in once in a while to check skills. Do you understand what this does to the game? They get bored and quit the game totally. And the problem is, it's not like they log back in remembering how it was before the war started. Usually after a war ends, that new player quits the corp thinking they will be better off on their own. It's an extreme anti-social function of the game. They leave the nest and join another corp. Then that one gets wardecced. Then they join another corp. Then that one gets wardecced. Then they realize, this is the mechanics of EVE. And they simply just do not want to play a game where every time they get blown up, they loose their ship.

I have had at least 30 ppl in my contacts over the years, 30 of which I never saw log in again. Many of those players never return, realizing that this is the life in EVE for which they can expect. And I'm telling you, I'M TELLING YOU, not everyone wants to play a game that's as cruel as EVE is. And it's not just a handful of players. People have tried this game, and then left in THRONGS because of the nature of that is EVE.

It's the vast majority of players that start the game in high sec, that want to wait a while and build up their toon, their skills, their resources. BUT THEY CAN'T.

Now I'm going thru this yet again. At the beginning of August, I built a corp with 4 newbro players. Those newbro's brought in about 4 more newbro's. So about 10 new players in total. New to the game. And guess what happened, our corp got wardecced 2 days after they got in game. So I thought, OK, well I still want to train these players, but we can't be under a dec. So we all left the corp. 4 or so days later, I re-started my corp again. Got them invited. Everything was good. 3 days later, ANOTHER war dec. So we got that one dropped 4 days later, and after loosing nearly a billion ISK worth of hardware. Then we decided to join an alliance for better protection. Guess what? ANOTHER WAR DEC. Do you not understand where I'm going with this?

So now I see these 10 newbro's, only 2 of them log in now. 5 of them have literally quit the game. And 3 more of them log in once in a blue moon to check their skills. They are frustrated and fed-up with the game. It's FAR TOO EASY for large mercorps to blob the newbies. And it's even more difficult for us Vets, the ones who are taking these newbro's and try to show them the game, for us to do exactly that. If you understand anything about math, that's approximately 40 - 50 newbro's that I've actually trained up in this game. And like maybe 3 of them actually still play EVE. Do you not understand the physical money you threw away because you cater to the PVP public. that's approximately $675 USD per month that I have seen leave this game. That's not much by a public standard.. but how many more ppl have quit this game? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say at least 100,000 potential players got a war dec and quit.

CCP, you are KILLING this game by what is going on here. I wanted to ask about the war dec mechanics, because I am going to start abusing the crap out of them. And when and/or if you try to ban me, I'm going to link this thread in my defense. I have not seen a single Dev actually get back to me on this saying" there's no amount of disbanning and re-forming corps that will get you banned". I'm going to start abusing the crap out of the mechanics.

2 more things here and then I'm done.

You PVP guys just don't understand something. It's not the goal of most people to say "hey, I want to PVE forever, because for me that's what gaming is all about". No, in fact, most have the plan to sit on their skills for a 6 months or a year, and get really good at flying a certain ship, and then having the money to purchase a few of those ships, and then actually go out and give PVP a shot. So you have it wrong in that making life easier for carebears is going to kill the game. In fact what you are crying about is, not being able to quell the newbie right off the bat so they don't come and blap you out of your territory. You are scared chicken ***** that don't want to give anyone a chance to actually grow up in this game.

Secondly, you have no idea what's coming to you. I've started a community. Everyone hates you. We are going to come after you. There will be 100 - 500 man blob fleets at every gate waiting for you to become criminal flashy. You are going to get your asses kicked out of high sec. Just you wait. This is happening. We are going to take control of High Sec and provide an ACTUAL policing service to this game. You have been warned.