EVE General Discussion

Highsec ganking/highsec wardecs need to go. Some bored + 10 year old players heaping on new players/new corps and stopping them dead in their tracks is an hillarious awful idea.

CCP, stop being terrible at common sense.

Highsec or New Order territory as it is called today is not for new players/corps, everyone is welcome if they follow the Code. Also ganking is an essential tool to improve player retention.

You guys really believe that spiel dont ya....

Bringing risk in improves the few longterm that stay at the expens of many more trials, etc that never sub in the first place or leave after a month. Net benefit is a negative value.

Why is this obvious? Is there any data to support that the "Vast Majority" of any MMO out there is carebears?

Perhaps Eve is different because at its core it is a different sort of game?

I just wish people making these claims would present some sort of data along with their claims, I always feel like I'm missing out on something.

Good thing this isn't your average MMO then. Carebears are not the majority here.

Perhaps it is. But im more partial to the notion that CCPs attempts at introducing peril and excitement resulted in some broken and harmful game features. Such as the common practice of wardecing fresh corps of new players. I feel its hard to miss that its detrimental for a game thats struggling with online activity.

Wait a min. They have been even easier than they are right now?

Wow...

Yes, yes they are. In fact carebearing in eve is the most extreme of any game. Pvp to Pve ratio in eve is massive for the level of time spent PvE. This is industry, alts running, etc.

I have played many games since the online gaming first started showing up. there is no game that has the sheer level of PvE required to play than eve. This is loosely defined. PvE meaning anything not directly combat related. This also covers stuff like "market pvp" etc. How many PvPers have their carebear alts? How much time is spent running moon mining, industry, PI, rat farming, exploration sites for sov, etc?

Yeah, rich people can go back to new player ships and casual pvp it, but for casual pvp, I will play a more competitive MOBA... Is why I have no real killboard. I have no interest in eve casual PVP. I have MANY!!!!! games that offer casual PvP but more exciting and challenging than docking games or an hour of hunting to press F1.

Goes back to the topic. Eve is a Carebear game cause the combat pvp has little value. What does put value does it fairly poorly. FW and sov. People actively avoid what could be called a good fight. That is not combat pvp, that is PvE since you make it a standoff and surrender most of the time. Hence the jump changes.

Hence eve needs value to combat pvp. Pirate vs Empire Warfare and requiring lasting and extended effects so it is actually a part of the game instead of a novelty or casual play. Warfare needs to have the same to it.

A good way for that is to have a more interactive war declaration system. Similar to the adaptive pricing to office, war declarations should be like laying claim to something. Corp A challenges Corp B for a claim in these systems. Done. Suddenly it is control fight with reasons. What you pay is what you get or something so RVB can put up contest systems, constellations or regions.

Truth is though that people who have an interaction with veteran players early (even if it is getting shot in the face) are statistically more likely to engage with the game and stick around.

Ccp tried to prove what you're guessing at and found through their own data that the opposite was the case, ccp rise gave a presentation regarding the new player experience to this effect last fanfest which you can find on YouTube should you care to go look.

I find myself completely convinced by this argument. Especially after checking the online numbers.