EVE General Discussion

That's an effect of things being easier for industrialists.

Industry has gotten easier and easier, to the point where markets are saturated with products and people with no knowledge of what they are doing undersell and everyone makes little profit. So the reason industry players are quitting is most likely not that industry is too difficult but because it is too easy.

This doesn't apply to every aspect of industry of course, but the general trend particularly in the case of T2 manufacture is it has gotten easier.

Bit of a personal bugbear this one too. In theory, people who are continually underselling and not turning a profit should eventually go out of business, having run out of money. However, in practice this doesn't happen as "the minerals I mine are free", and the fixed cost of manufacturing makes up such a small proportion* of the overall cost that it's actually very difficult to end up with a net outflow of personal assets from bad industry decisions. If you regard your mined minerals and time as "free", as so many people mistakenly do, then in their heads they are making "profit" and will also rarely actually run out of money. Provided they sell their items at a price that covers the manufacturing run, they will never go bust. They'll never get rich either...maybe this is what the OP is actually doing?

There are plenty of markets that are absolutely saturated because of this. It's not bad game mechanics that makes certain aspects of industry challenging, it's the large number of bad industrialists.

*although it varies by item, and is mildly complex for other reaons, just having a quick look at T1 cruisers the actual assemby cost is around 2-2.5% of total cost.

Just for interest sake - 20/9 to 22/9; 49 T1 freighters died;
27 of those with a killmail value of less than 2 bil.
Average of 1.3 bil per freighter buy price, over half the freighters killed were either empty or carrying less than 1 bil in cargo or "safe from gank" value. (average for the 27 was 1.49 bil = less than 200 mil in cargo)
Gank for profit groups are a small minority when it comes down to freighter kills.



"That said,........ more profit for all." - Except for the consumer of course..


For the OP; Bottom line is - If you don't want to lose assets, take more care with them.
Eve is a PVP game, those who want to destroy your stuff know commonly used routes and camp them waiting for the, too lazy to use "avoid XXX system" when setting a destination.
The game mechanics aren't broken, you just need to use them to YOUR advantage.

Industry is going to be about transporting goods at some point. I, for one, love the fact that transportation is not perfectly safe. Safe is boring, and boring is going to lead to more people quitting than a couple of rage whiners. Of course there are ways of limiting the risk, but it requires that the pilot be aware at all times.

I think I read through the other posts and found that no one else said the obvious. Don't fly it if you don't want to risk it. Anyone that undocks with more than 50% of their total assets SHOULD be killed.

The pvp players think they alone support the game and Eve would be fine if CCP did away with the pve side.

After 10 yrs they still hold onto the idea that somehow everyone doing pve in hi-sec will magically wake up one day and want to pvp.