EVE General Discussion

When I last played the game some 3 years ago, isk didn't flood out of wormholes, jump into highsec to be fleet ganked or spawn day and night on planets.

It was Isk, it was hard to come by.

Now the cost of things hasn't changed much as thats defined by the industrial process, the amount you can earn has gone throught the roof though, everyone is a billionare

Not sure whether it's inflation or deflation as my grasp of economics isn't great , but whatever it is it isn't good.

Take my position for example. When I left the account I'd just got into cruisers, I had a little stashed to buy a BC because an old guildy was good enough to give me a hand up. The idea of being able to afford and rig a battleship was maybe a month of grind away, not that I minded it gave me a goal and a sense of achievment when I completed the steps along my career path.

Upon return I do a little research, set up a little high sec PI, don't even need to log in but once a day and Bam 7 days later pretty much enough for a BS hull. Sitting on my booty, 0 Risk, free BS , And high sec PI earnings are terribad they tell me

What the hell has happened to EVE

/edit this was gonna be a slight off topic in another thread but the forum ganked me ate my post and I thought it deserved it's own thread so as not to totally derail someone elses disscusion.

Don,t know about PI
I entered this game in 2008 ,i do highsec mission a lot and sometimes do small gang fleets in low or 0.0
The earnings from highsec missions are a lot lower then when i started this game back then
And the recent changes to PI chould change a lot ,i think
but then again i don,t do PI

All I know is, something in the debate of ISK is corrupt.

They nerf the ISK faucets so there is an indication that we have more than we should. Claims of ISK faucets in the billions from low sec FW to Incursions to WH farming are all over the forums and through it all Plex never broke 400 mill.

On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies.

/me cues fanfare to launch INCURGEDDON

Think of THOSE tears.

It's inflation, part of the problem is that the places where you get the most ISK also pretty much give you it infinitely, so that means the more people there are playing the game or doing mission running etc. the more ISK floods the market and raises the prices.

This is what's happening in RL except the governments are just magically printing it out of thin air and giving it to everyone rather than making them earn it.

But essentially thats part of the problem, prices DONT really rise as they are defined by the cost of the minerals to make said product which hasn't seemed to change much.

Also as there seems to be no real 'luxury' market as everything (commonly used at least, there are some 'rares' out there ) can be found in abundance, the 'cost of living' hasn't really risen much.

Also to the person who mentioned titans, I just got back from checking ingame what the biggest ship I could bye was, on the market it was a dread at <2Bill.

Now as a high seccer I would never be able to fly one but if I alted up and tripled my PI income, I would easily be able to afford one before the 3+ month train time.

So is the glass half empty or half full, well for me it's more than half empty already, the EVE I thought I knew of long term goals and struggle to get there seems to have dissolved in CCP's give em moar money, moar of them will play ethos. A shame really, the edges of the sandbox seem claustrophobically close now.

Then I have one isk then.

Says someone who uses daddys credit card to fund his "ISK for shinines"

These days the same can be said for £/€/$ too, inflation and currency devaluation are like a chicken and egg.

I largely agree with the OP - however I don't have issues with isk made from selling PI goods, WH pve selling rat drops, LP-store items, Monnmining or regular mining as they just redistribute isk or are even isk sinks (in the case of LP stores).

The real problem are all the isk generated out of nowhere, like all bounties, mission rewards, insurance payouts etc...

The puzzling bit is that in QENs and eonomic minutes at fanfests, these isk faucets have been identified as a problem long ago, yet CCP keeps adding them.
When I first heard about incursions, I thought they just pay Concord LP and was fine with it. I almost fell out of my chair when I heard about the obscene amounts of iincursion sk payouts CCP decided to generate from thin air.

It seems CCP game design doesn't listen to their own economists and keeps pumping isk into poorly done features to make them look better.