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the difference already exists and changing it could have drastic consequences. K-space has NPC stations everywhere that are the safest locations to store your goods. Another difference between outposts and POSes is how much you can practically store in them. As far as I'm aware, even larger wormhole alliances don't all have a single POS or system where they stage everything out of. There are limitations that physically won't let you do that, mainly hangar space. So the amount of assets stored in a W-space POS and the amount in an outpost can be vastly different, to to the simple difference in gameplay types. Sov wars can result in hundreds of players fighting on an almost regular basis with as much as they can muster, with little choice in deflecting the assault. W-space may have some similar battles, but they are much less common and the tactics you can use to mitigate an attack (rolling holes) can make it much easier to set the circumstances in your favor. It's highly unlikely a wh-corp will suddenly have hundreds of players in the strongest ships they can find, suddenly knocking on your door within a period of hours.

I'm not against some risk to assets in XL structures, but it definitely needs to scale properly with the existing mechanics on the other side of the spectrum as well.

some of the citadel components should be invention ONLY!... yeah I said it, it'll make you devs wake up and go back and fix industry since you removed greyscale's teams vision.. yeah you forgot all about that didn't you. you're sitting up here trying to appease the fanbase cause your numbers have sank to dreadful levels and the higher ups put some boots to some behinds.

that's why you're back tracking and changing cause you know you're headed straight to eve is dead by next year if these plans continued on...

now before you dangle more carrots sir and lady.. go back and fix industry cause just looking at the sheer challenge of building an XL right now is all smoke and mirrors.

the 1st time one blows up in null. you're going to be at even a much dire situation cause well when folks loose their things.. they simply leave.. you're still not providing reason why someone should go thru the challenge of null sov.. why should players put forth such effort to even own sov, while you have these large coalitions running around with supers and titans just waiting to hot drop on these new structures the second a spy tells them to...

so go ahead and continue your tunnel vision so many of us are sitting back laughing at watching how the subs will shrink lower and lower cause of fozziesov, structure-carrot, and what ever else gimmick you decide to come up with.

oh yeah.. I do like the backpeddling of the cap jump fatigue.. thank you very much, and I look forward to your next sets of backpeddling to bring eve online numbers back up..you know this backwards and forth and backwards mess is getting really tired just make up your minds already..

when do we get jove space? when will we see a jove mothership?? when will you create what was created in the eve online : prophecy trailer.. you taking too long and my attention span is reaching coma level..wake me up when you're done - bored player

I disagree that it's "XL or don't bother." Lower upfront costs for "M" and "L" will help guide the decision. I'll be disappointed if the base "M" citadel costs (much) more than the base "M" control tower today.

While it's smart to keep valuables in an NPC station where possible, EVE lets players make bad choices. I might stash some loot in a small POS even in highsec, forget about it in the following month, if other stuff is going on; think a wardec was issued for some other purpose - and then be rudely reminded that corp hangers are locked during POS reinforcement. I think "M" citadels will get plenty of use as POS's are today, esp. in highsec systems without a station. Good temp storage for mining fleets.

Would it be possible to have hangars of different appearance based on Capital or Sub-Capital with these new structures?

I realize that would be a LOT of Art Team work and they're probably working on far more important projects, but could we one day have those? It would be a really cool addition to these already cool new Citadels.

Dang, those WIP shots look really cool. The gameplay plans seem decent as well, from the view of someone who has never done the sov thing, only WH living.

Any plans to take the standard NPC stations in the direction of the citadels... in terms of size, multiple undocks, etc?

When docked at a citadel, since we see the citadel instead of a ship hangar, do we also see the surrounding space and the ships nearby? Effectively giving people the "window" that has often been asked for, allowing them to see activity outside? And if so, will NPC stations be converted over to this view as well?

Might be fun to have the invuln time use stront or something. So instead of having 6 hours every week vulnerable no matter what, you have AS FEW AS 6 hours every week vulnerable. So people can be cheap skates and take on more risk if they want, having only their work day hours invulnerable, or no invulnerability at all.

To add my bit to the debate, the most important thing I have ever seen from CCP about game development is that throw-away line about how an attacker will need to hit a minimal damage threshold to stop the repair timer.

I say this because it means that the devs are finally starting to understand how players will be dicks to each other if given a chance, and design around it. Bravo, and keep it up. Make optimal gameplay choices result in interaction instead of trolltastic time-wasting behavior.

There is a precedent set by CCP developers already and in current use that can, and should be applied in this case: Damage Thresholds. In DUST shields have a damage threshold. If damage does not exceed that threshold, shields will regen regarless. This prevents peppering by weak weapons from a long distance keeping shields from regenerating.

CCP can easily apply this same logic to Citadels as well.

Good blog. I look forward to the post on the exact mechanics in w-space as well as how existing asset loss (outposts and towers) will be compensated for...or if this will be almost a reset with sov entities not getting drop in replacements.

Also one question - the damage mitigation: is it possible battleships (when you do a balance pass on them) could get something like that? Some sort of massive damage mitigation for a short period? Or perhaps introduce a battlehsip only module that acts like a "lite' bastion module but had a cooldown similar to a large micro jumpdrive?

Can you warp to a POS now without probes. If this is true in the area of space you are in, then it will remain true with citadels.
Can you store your stuff in a station without risk of loss of stuff (loss of access does not count). If this is true in the area of space you are in then it will remain true with citadels.

The only point you raise is that the time to destroy should remain fairly constant between area's of space.

Also have another question: I seem to never hear about the other different structures proposed on the original devblog, nor any updates on the multiple sticky threads in F&I. Are citadels now the only structures replacing POSes and outposts? Has the idea of mining platforms, observation posts, and industrial themed structures been forgotten or discarded?

its not fair of me to assume much with the few details I have, but it seems as though citadels don't actually do that much. Especially compared to existing structures.