EVE General Discussion

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Suppose they lower the cost to be the same as a sub...do you think PLEX prices will magically drop?

I did not say anything you could agree with "yes".
Same as "i like EvE but if i can not play it for free i wan't play" is "i like EvE but if i can not play it for 99Cent i wan't play"

EDIT
I am a slow learner, but isk value decreased, cause they are not so hard to earn if you know what you are doing.
Right now i start with stable income and i am curious how far it goes.

no plex price won't magically drop, the people who brought plex off the market for investment will want to get their isk back or at least make some profit, these guys will keep the price high for as long as possible.

Econ 101: Something is worth whatever someone else is willing to pay for it. There are enough people willing to pay 1.2B ISK for a PLEX at this time that the price will keep going up. The only way PLEX will go down is if people stop buying. Lowering the IRL price of PLEX won't change that.

No surprise there.
You can invest in PLEX since the price rises for years now.
From 300mil to 1.2Bil now.

If the EvE population drops to far, the market for PLEX will implode.
Still, if my income continues to rise, i will invest in PLEX too.

My simplistic observation is this:

- people do not generally decide how many PLEX to get based on how much real cash they want to spend
- people do not generally decide how many PLEX to get based on how much ISK they get per PLEX

Many (most?) people base their purchases on how much ISK they need.

This means:
- PLEX supply will be resistant to ISK/PLEX price changes and may even drop as ISK/PLEX rises
- PLEX supply will be resistant to real money price changes and supply will only increase slightly as PLEX price drops

Would be interesting to hear from plex traders, perhaps this might give us an insight into whats going on. I'm not entirely sure but I think that most of the stockpiles will be on the market now because the plex market maybe about to crash and the traders want to cash out.

I'm sure the good traders know that this is a temporary high and either the customer base will vanish or the RL cost of plex will be reduced affecting the isk price. I think there is 2 or 3 months of good trading left until plex users get tired and leave. We do forget Eve is supposed to be fun and one doesn't want to clock off RL work and then come home to start his second job Eve online. Have a look at the psychological aspect of this.

Fair point, there are people still prepared to pay current prices, but for how long? If plex prices have been tipped to rise to 2bills. I think opinions will change and more people will get tired of the monthly grind.

You are completely missing my point, man.

1) The largest hoarders are not selling. Infact Im not even entirely certain they have any intention of ever selling.
The current price situation is irrational as weighed against a tight sequence of strong effects which should have additively reduced PLEX price, but did not. Instead prices rise faster. The force of commerce required to have overcome these commensurate PLEX price mitigators is huge, premeditated, concerted and deliberate.

I previously called you on being too abstract and extreme, now I have to call you on being too narrow.

As I said, PLEX sitting in someones station hold IS NOT SUBBING ANYONE, and yet appreciating in value for every unit taken off the market.
Take a minute to think on the long term implications of that.

2) There is no time limit. If you hold 1000+ PLEX , and started buying already in August 2014, your stock value is already enormously appreciated in value. The amount of stockpiled PLEX in this game, at this point, can easily overcome the incidental introduction of more of it in competition, simply by buying it off the market.

3) How am I faring? Im liquidating assets as fast as I can to buy PLEX. My only regret is I didnt do it a month ago (let alone a year ago).

4) This is EVE. Remember that. The potential for critical mass PLEX manipulation has always been a potential. Last years events from last fall have created an excellent opportunity in may ways that some organisations have finally found a window for actualising this.

5) Nothing can be done, except to buy up as much PLEX as you can, right now, so that you are not left disadvantaged when PLEX finally stabilises at some higher rate.

6) PLEX is not going to drop. Nothing indicates that it would. Its rises already overcame significant mitigants, and hoarders have a vested interest in maintaining it high, which they will, and theybhave the appreciated stock with which to facilitate that.

7) Selling PLEX is not its only use. It can also be gifted for loyalty/reciprocation, especially if you hold thousands in stock, and against an enormously inflated price. Can also be used to attract financiers when they see how much of it you are sitting on as collateral. And, as Ive said earlier, the more PLEX you own, the more rational and profitable it is to buy even more. Its an accumalative effect. The longer and the harder you buy up PLEX, the higher your stock value rises, at an ever escalating rate, as people get more desperate for it.

8) Sooner or later, when PLEX dependants have sold all their assets, and cant do it anymore, the price will stabilise. Somewhere at 2.5bil I think. But it will not drop significantly. Any significant introduction of PLEX, and drop in price, after that point, will simply be bought up by these hoarders as cheap, and added to their stockpile, inorder to maintain its high value.

TLDR: Someone got bored of financing Titans, or has enough of them, and decided PLEX is a better investment. And they were right. Titans control space. PLEX controls everyone else. How many vets do you think pay subs? Hell no. If you can stockpile thousands of PLEX, and force your competition to unsub many of their accounts, THAT is power without ever firing a shot.

I'm going to stop talking to you because your view is one-sided, you speak of plex stabilizing but you refuse to take into account the fact that if no one buys it then it is worth nothing. If plex traders aren't careful their stock value will vanish. Traders should analyse the market in its entirety and pay attention to customer feedback. Plex customers have reported that their extra accounts are now closed and they struggle to keep 1 account plexed. the plex traders are like: **** you, pay me! I dunno man there's something wrong with this whole picture.

Listen, don't take my word for anything, we can keep our eyes open and see what happens.

Edit: seriously I have to laugh at some of you, you really can't see that the guys who can reactivate their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts with plex will have a great effect on the game. You can't even see that I'm talking about more plex sales, CCP and plex traders stay ignorant. LOLOLOLOL