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Plex hits 1b ISK in Jita

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MrQuisno
Doomheim
#261 - 2015-09-16 16:59:20 UTC
Is it just me or is their group messing with plex cards right now? last few days it seem they have jump 150m iskes. was at 1.278b now 1.350b... last I check one person mess with one type of market is bad for the game...
Zihao
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2015-09-16 17:05:38 UTC
Grr markets. How dare people other than me use them. It's probably just one evil rich guy....
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#263 - 2015-09-16 17:09:27 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
EvE is NOT expensive.

EvE is more a hobby than a game. In my book games are supposed to be more fun, then EvE is.
And comparing to hobbies like RC-Helikopters or Planes, Fishing, Snowboarding, surfing EvE does not cost lots of money.
Also the required Hardware is not so expensive. Cheap Laptops can handle at least one client, let alone modern Desktops.
I assume it would run on tablets if ported.

OK, except you are a teen with only allowance.
The actual price should be no problem.

Different to WoW EvE does not want money for upgrade, but to be fair, Blizz adds far more content into addons than CCP.
But thats the difference in man and moneypower. And expierience in game development that CCP lacks.

MrQuisno wrote:
Is it just me or is their group messing with plex cards right now? last few days it seem they have jump 150m iskes. was at 1.278b now 1.350b... last I check one person mess with one type of market is bad for the game...


So be it!
And then what?
If the player count drops to fast, the hoarder sits on a heap of plex he is unable to sell.
This could backfire hard.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."

Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#264 - 2015-09-16 17:59:46 UTC
It's getting pretty ridiculous... Can't even plex my main account, CTA's, hostiles in local, fleets etc. take lots of game time and doing this+ grinding 1b+ isk is too much.
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#265 - 2015-09-16 18:32:03 UTC
Blade Darth wrote:
It's getting pretty ridiculous... Can't even plex my main account, CTA's, hostiles in local, fleets etc. take lots of game time and doing this+ grinding 1b+ isk is too much.


Damn if you don't have the right corp and alliance names.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#266 - 2015-09-16 18:39:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
La Rynx wrote:
EvE is NOT expensive.

EvE is more a hobby than a game. In my book games are supposed to be more fun, then EvE is.
And comparing to hobbies like RC-Helikopters or Planes, Fishing, Snowboarding, surfing EvE does not cost lots of money.


My CONTROLLER for RC plane = two years of eve sub. I don't even want to think the cost per hour of usage comparison. Toss in vintage motorcycles into the mix.... insanity. If these people who think 15 bucks a month is too much, try insuring a large displacement sport bike.....

Blade Darth wrote:
It's getting pretty ridiculous... Can't even plex my main account, CTA's, hostiles in local, fleets etc. take lots of game time and doing this+ grinding 1b+ isk is too much.


And that is the issue. Farming etc has resulted in an expectation for rate of earning. It isn't fun because people expect too much simply because some broken forms of income result in high yields. Drives up operational costs, more time spent less fun or lack of time is lack of funds to match the meta.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#267 - 2015-09-16 18:46:18 UTC
Well, imo this game (and society but that's a different story) needs less lazy poor people.

So high PLEX prices = less undesireables so this is a great situation for the rest of us.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#268 - 2015-09-16 18:51:47 UTC
This game needs more lazy wealthy people.

But how a lazy person can be welthy? Isn't that oxymoron?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#269 - 2015-09-16 20:08:03 UTC
Inheritance or other privilege does the trick pretty well. Or luck.

Anyway, I've become part of the solution and just put 6 PLEX on the market in Jita.

No need to thank me, your ISK will be thanks enough.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#270 - 2015-09-16 20:28:19 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
This game needs more lazy wealthy people.

But how a lazy person can be welthy? Isn't that oxymoron?


Not really. It is feeding off the greed of others, or having others do the work for you and taking a cut.

In eve, it is things that get you stuff you can get for isk with minimal effort. Is an issue, high earning is because it is consistent and predictable, aka broken.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#271 - 2015-09-16 20:34:14 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Well, imo this game (and society but that's a different story) needs less lazy poor people.



How do you manage to log in, then?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#272 - 2015-09-16 21:19:23 UTC
I think that Eve has become a capitalist society, CCP want too much for plex lets face it, in the UK a plex is £16.99 which is £7.00 more than the monthly sub which has prompted the plex sellers to sell at a high price.

Plex prices do not affect me because I sub my 2 accounts. All I have done is read what most of the plex buyers are saying and I have come to the conclusion that we will see numbers drop yet again. CCP should listen to the people who plex their account, it does seem as if they are being ignored.

We will see lots of people cancel their 2nd and 3rd accounts because they are no longer able to generate much profit for the player, I get that people can diversify and go into other areas of the game like FW, WH etc.

Has CCP made any statement about revising the real life cost of plex?

I ask this because I can see this game being ruined, Level with me here, why is the RL plex price an extra 70% on top of the sub price?

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#273 - 2015-09-16 21:28:44 UTC
Aaron wrote:
I think that Eve has become a capitalist society, CCP want too much for plex lets face it, in the UK a plex is £16.99 which is £7.00 more than the monthly sub which has prompted the plex sellers to sell at a high price.

Plex prices do not affect me because I sub my 2 accounts. All I have done is read what most of the plex buyers are saying and I have come to the conclusion that we will see numbers drop yet again. CCP should listen to the people who plex their account, it does seem as if they are being ignored.

We will see lots of people cancel their 2nd and 3rd accounts because they are no longer able to generate much profit for the player, I get that people can diversify and go into other areas of the game like FW, WH etc.

Has CCP made any statement about revising the real life cost of plex?

I ask this because I can see this game being ruined, Level with me here, why is the RL plex price an extra 70% on top of the sub price?


Agreed; that price differential is indefensible. CCP urgently need to get more people logging in to keep the game healthy, and dropping the RL price of PLEX to a similar, albeit slightly higher, level than a 1 month sub would be a big step towards that.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Zihao
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2015-09-16 21:57:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
dropping the RL price of PLEX to a similar, albeit slightly higher, level than a 1 month sub would be a big step towards that.


Seems reasonable.
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
#275 - 2015-09-16 22:00:28 UTC
MrQuisno wrote:
Is it just me or is their group messing with plex cards right now? last few days it seem they have jump 150m iskes. was at 1.278b now 1.350b... last I check one person mess with one type of market is bad for the game...


Market PVP, Its awesome.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#276 - 2015-09-16 22:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Malcanis wrote:
Aaron wrote:
I think that Eve has become a capitalist society, CCP want too much for plex lets face it, in the UK a plex is £16.99 which is £7.00 more than the monthly sub which has prompted the plex sellers to sell at a high price.

Plex prices do not affect me because I sub my 2 accounts. All I have done is read what most of the plex buyers are saying and I have come to the conclusion that we will see numbers drop yet again. CCP should listen to the people who plex their account, it does seem as if they are being ignored.

We will see lots of people cancel their 2nd and 3rd accounts because they are no longer able to generate much profit for the player, I get that people can diversify and go into other areas of the game like FW, WH etc.

Has CCP made any statement about revising the real life cost of plex?

I ask this because I can see this game being ruined, Level with me here, why is the RL plex price an extra 70% on top of the sub price?


Agreed; that price differential is indefensible. CCP urgently need to get more people logging in to keep the game healthy, and dropping the RL price of PLEX to a similar, albeit slightly higher, level than a 1 month sub would be a big step towards that.


Indeed, as I've said in a previous post, plex was only designed to stop people creating RL businesses with a warehouse full people grinding/selling isk for real life cash. It seems CCP missed the opportunity to sell isk for many years while these isk for cash businesses made bank. The bonus was that people with a limited RL budget could use in-game currency to sub their game.

I think there were many mmo games that suffered from isk for cash businesses. Is CCP trying to recoup lost isk sales for all the years they didn't sell plex? If they are then this is a bad practice which will make the people with a limited RL budget stop playing, the knock-on effect would be the plex for isk sellers will have no customers and maybe their game will become limited because they use plex to pvp and they may not be bothered to grind.

I would suggest a petition thread is started and all the people who want the RL cost of plex reduced should sign it. I think lots of people would sign the petition if they have their eyes open and can see where the game is headed. Not signing this suggested petition will mean the game could sail into treacherous waters.

I'm telling you man I love Eve with a passion and I want to see it run for another 20 years, I'll always be here paying my sub and I know there are many like me. CCP please don't ruin my game by bad business practices.

Yours Faithfully.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#277 - 2015-09-16 22:30:59 UTC
I started that petition thread, please sign when you get a chance.

Thanks.

Petition thread for reduced RL PLEX cost.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Scotchmo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#278 - 2015-09-16 22:42:06 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Well, imo this game (and society but that's a different story) needs less lazy poor people.

So high PLEX prices = less undesireables so this is a great situation for the rest of us.


Who is going to give you those dank kill mails cause they were too **** to dock up when you entered local?
Lazy kids are the content for the PVPers.

Its funny no one sees this. If you ONLY have plex sellers and let the in game buyers rot, who are you going to catch in anoms?
Who will you catch in a WH farming for their plex?

Come on people.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#279 - 2015-09-17 00:47:44 UTC
In terms of market forces I suppose the predictable outcome is that a lot of alts that do PI and mining and other passive income stuff will get unsubbed and eventually the price of PI and materials will rise and make PLEX affordable for those that stay.

Overall though there will be less resources in game, which of course may be a good thing.
Amyclas Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#280 - 2015-09-17 04:55:53 UTC
3b isk is a reasonable price for plex... if 80% of the population are chinese bot farmers.

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