EVE General Discussion

I don't think it's a coincidence that plex prices rose dramatically after CCP released multi-char training and skins. I also don't think it's a coincidence that plex prices crashed when isboxer was banned. And now I don't think it's a coincidence that prices are rising again with most is boxers gone from the game, new skins added, and fan fest coming up (pay with plex).

In a nutshell, it seems like this is just supply and demand. Sure there are hoarders, but they take a risk in doing so - there is no free lunch here. Plus, people still buy plex at the price listed for whatever they do with them. I know because I've sold plenty lately.

I'd love to see detailed data on this market some time to really theorize but the parallels to people whining about the price of something due to free market economics in RL is telling. I liken it to people who cry murder when uber uses dynamic pricing to charge $100 a mile for a cab after a major event in the city or when gas prices rise above $3 a gallon. Maybe we should call a special session of the CSM to denounce plex price gouging and set up a panel to study the "problem"....or maybe some of us should just accept that we don't really like capitalism, especially when it's not "fair" to our own wants and needs.

I understand that Plex doesn't change the fun level of Eve... but what does it say about Eve that players would rather play free games than this one?

I said it before, I will say it again, and you will undoubtedly white-knight to the bitter end. Many players are willing to play Eve when it is free to them through Plex. Just because it is worth playing doesn't mean it is worth paying for to these players.

It says that in general gamers suck, are cheapskates and we are better off without them.



Screw them. The problem is a screwed up mentality ("something I like is worth the time it takes to get plex, but it's not worth 50 cents a day!"). CCP and EVE aren't responsible for the screwed up mentality of today's instant gratification gamer.

More to the point, it's CCP's efforts to attain more of these types of people that have driven REAL EVE players (people with a sense of responsibly, a sense of patience, and sense of context (15 bucks a month is cheap for epic video game entertainment) and who know how to make 50 cents in a 24 hour span of time) away from the game.

While I don't believe EVE is in any danger, I'd rather see it actually die rather than cater to the kinds of horribly entitled whiners you'd love to see it populated by.

Safety. Rules and mechanics bent on crushing people who actually do interesting things in the hopes that LoL playing non-contributing zeros will stay a bit longer..... What CCP did in trying to nerf 'greifers' did nothing to him, while nerfing people who weren't griefers (people like me, difference is, i'm staying for other reasons).

Pop ups for EVERYTHING ("oh no, don't scratch your left arse cheek, you might get a - 0.000001 reduction in sec status if you do), and lets not forget all the PVE they added in that time. When I started BELT RATTING was profitable, now we have endlessly spawning anoms, high sec sites in low sec, epic arcs, burners, drifters, sleepers, incursions, clone soldiers, pirate faction ships coming out of high sec LP stores, pirate faction ships dropping (in the form of redeemable chips) from Drone sites, ghost sites, mordus sites, easier scanning, a freaking exploration mini game and loads of introduced PVE specific modules and deployables.

Even after all that, that 'flood of new players' never materialized. Because all those additons and changes weren't enough. Till EVe has 'levels' so that players can 'catch up' and standard mmo style "instances" that can't be penetrated by other players so they can be 'left alone', EVE will never ever be popular.





It does beat free to play games, for the right type of player. CCP needs to find the right type of player, rather than what they've been doing.

Along with their wrong headed watering down of EVE over the past 6 or so years, Their marketing (to incompatibles like 'standard' instant gratification mmo players and Original Elite/Wing Commander "jet fighters in space" nostolgics) is the big problem (if there is a problem). CCP should be marketing to people who like engineering type challenges, people who find 'high finance' simulators appealing, and it wouldn't hurt to advertise in magazines read by people who would find EVE naturally appealing.

People are willing to throw out huge amounts of money at pay to win games and mobile games that offer only a fraction of what EvE is.

People pay monthly sub for pay TV.
People pay 10 $ / € / ... to get into a 2 hour cinema movie.
People by Fastfood for 6+ $ / € / ... for a single meal.
People pay for the gym without even going there once.

And jet they complain when it comes to monthly 15 $ / € / ... for EvE.

I agree on marketing, that's a problem area for CCP, but with your pother points, the problem isn't that they make too many PvE mechanics or make it marginally harder for "pirates" to have an easy ride, it's that the type of people they've let be the face of this community are generally the most anti-social neckbeards that can possibly be found. The amount of elitist spew that comes from people who at the end of the day are playing a no-skill minimum effort space spreadsheet game is shocking, and turns most people away.

Perhaps that's because with all those other things they get a quality service and/or a good product. The gym gives them a funky card they can show to people to say "I go to the gym, honest". I imagine a lot of people that pay with plex do so because they have ludicrous amounts of isk from this incredibly easy game and they've been playing long enough that it's more habit than anything else.

Hello,

Plex prices will not stop any time soon. Their will be slowly down point but it wont be for while. For these who pay for the game their will be no problems. But for theses who play the game for free well this will be a dying trend soon. enjoy what time left you have left in the game. " pay up or quit ". No player will want to play the game for 80+ hours a week to pay 4b month per account unless you got hours to place in the game which most don't. enjoy what time you have left.. may plex cards hit 10b :))

10 bil plex and I'm quitting! lol 'j/k

I don't "like" the PLEX prices, I too like plexing my accounts, and at current prices, that means 4.8 bil worth of 'overhead'. Even for someone like my who rats with 2, sometime 3 accounts at once, that's not chump change, that's ike 40% of my average monthly in game income.

Thing is, I know PLEX is a luxury, and back when it was cheap, I knew it couldn't last because I knew from experience how easy it was to make isk. One time I got a bil worth of mods from one 10/10 and thought "whelp, that's 2 plex done for 35 minutes work!".

Nothing in real life stays easy, a game that emulates key facets of real life (which is what EVE does despite the spaceship background) is going to work the same way. Doesn't mean i liek it, it means I accept reality.

I honestly think that account PLEXing has more to do with a sense of mastery over the game than it has to do with saving $15. "I'm so good, I play for free! Unlike all those bads who actually pay cash every month."

The trouble with that is that as the ISK price of PLEX has gone up, the "bad, lazy" people who sell PLEX for ISK--get a better and better deal for their money. The "good, elite" people who have "mastered" the game find themselves grinding more and more to keep that title--and they complain when they feel that they're having to work too hard to keep their status. Nobody ever likes to lose status, not even internet space status.

At any rate, you don't just take a game F2P. You have to design (or redesign) the game around that. Given that CCP is hard at work redesigning the game, it's not impossible that they could do this, but I'm not sold on whether it's likely or desirable. $15/mo is cheap for what the game offers.

If there's a problem, it's that EVE's marketing is way off. It's not an action title, though it can be. It's not a PVP game in the way that 90% of the population things of PVP, nor is it a PVE game--though you can play it that way, sort of, sometimes.