Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i would liek to support this idea ... but a decent scanner is able to scann almost everything in 1-3 cycles .... if you make scanning easier ppl like that will skyrocket with their scanningspeed ....
Keeping that in mind it either needs a rework or you better don't buff it at all ...

If you are only looking for a certain wormhole (e.g. the static or K162s) that still works nicely. (use combats - they go to 64 a.u.)
The problem is that in some systems the signature strength of the possible wormhole types is so spread out that you end up having to scan everything anyway.
Giving wormholes a unique signature strenght is everything that is needed really, but the OPs idea is probably newbro friendlier.

I do a lot of scanning and frankly do not think it is that hard. With that said, I see a lot of WH people coming out in support of this idea. Presumably they do more scanning than I do. Presumably, this is a huge quality of life improvement if you live in WH space. So, on the one hand, I am sympathetic to this idea.

On the other hand, I think there may be an element of "working as intended" here. Is it supposed to be easy to find new WH connections? Isn't that part of what drew people into WH space to begin with? That you could isolate yourself? That it was challenging to get there? That it was challenging to support yourself there? That you needed to be able to probe to find your way around?

I suppose after several years of "doing it the hard way," it is only natural for WH veterans to want things to be easier.

Perhaps what WH space really needs is more [new] challenges, not making things easier.

This thread is full of "think of the newbies" moonshine. The whole thing is a stellar example of Malcanis's Rule. This will not benefit newbies. It will help larger, older, established groups find people to crush more easily.

I agree that making WHs easier to scan down isn't going to increase the amount of traffic in w-space, encouraging new players it might but unless there is something new in w-space for the more experienced then this wont do anything.

However in saying that, would absolutely love being able to more easily identify WH's from other signatures in system. Maybe not just make them easier to scan, but perhaps tell us if a sig is a WH at 10% instead of the standard 25%, or perhaps make them return a higher percentage early on, but harder to pinpoint to 100%.

Exactly this.

Do you ever wonder how much time you waste or potential targets you never see or even enter their home because you just spent 40mins in a massive chain finding and ignoring PVE sigs?

Are we lazy for asking this? Probably 5% but the other 95% sick of just wasting our ******* time night after night on unnecessary ****.

i do scan quite a lot and sometimes it gets frustrating when you are 5 jumps down the chain and opened 10 WH´s on the way but havent found anything but emtpy/abandoned/ systems or systems where the inhabitants are currently not logged on(or are cloaked and watching your with knifes between their teeth ) but i dont think scanning should be made easier.

if you have proper scanning skills and the right ship, scanning is not an issue

I don't care either way on the OP so just some observations.

Do you really think that scanning the entrances is even part of the things that keeps players out of WH?
In my experience the scanning portion is more of a hassle to the vet WH dwellers than it is to the newer players looking to move into WH life.

Living / playing in a WH is a game play style just like low and nul. And just like low and nul that game play style does not appeal to very many people, to change that you will have to change the game play style in significant ways that you WH players will not like.
So the real question becomes are you willing to support the changes that will really make a difference to the amount of players that venture into WH?

QFT

What difference does it make what area of the game I choose to play in? We all have opinions and we are all free to post them so take you elitist crap attitude and crawl back into your hole.

With how stupid easy it is to scan now the Virtue sets are worthless oust side of some very niche areas of scanning . In fact the ONLY thing they really do for an average scanning character is reduce the time needed to achieve a signal you can warp to. And the OP idea will make the virtue sets even more worthless since the WH will be even more stupid easy to scan then they already are.

Even if I am a high sec dweller that means I am significantly more attuned to what high sec players want and more importantly do not want from their game play and that would make me highly qualified to comment in any topic about how to get more players out of high sec and into WH. But in reality just see the first segment above about we all have opinions.

Looking at the idea of getting more layers into WH where is your largest pool of possible players?
Low?
Nul?
No your largest pool of possible players is those "high sec princes" you seem to have such a distaste for. And to be honest that attitude is just another of the problems you will have to overcome to attract more players into WH.

But the simple fact remains, those who enjoy the gaming style of low, nul or WH are for the most part already playing the game there. To attract more players into your area of space whether it is lolw, nul or WH then you have to change the game play style in those areas so it is attractive to a wider range of players. I told you WH players in my first post you would not like it, thank you for proving my point.