Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, do you have a better alternative for those that already have +5 implants plugged in?

A huge part of eve online is training the right skills so I believe you should be able to purchase skill points ....my reasons are I want a black ops and I want it now :p ,really though I see this as I decent income for ccp and the only downside would be vets moaning "pay to win" while sitting in a boosted ,3b cloned pimped frigate

Character bazaar is that way ---->

You are mistaken. This thread is a dump, a toilet if you will, in which to flush these recurring ideas about buying sp or remapping sp into the cesspool that will hold them until they are rendered harmless by waste processing and time.

One of the challenging aspect of EVE is in its largely-permanent state of matters, where things usually transition forward and not backward.

Things like destructible and consumable objects. You destroy a ship, it is lost permanently. You consume ammo or implant, it is used permanently.

You spend time to learn skills, just like how you would in real life, and you have to decide your path so you will take greater ownership of your character and actually knows what you can or cannot fly/use (I've seen way too many players who don't even know what the skills of their bought chars can do for them).

We are veterans because we have invested YEARS of our life into this. What makes you think that we stay here so long for? And by allowing skill points to be purchasable, we then are saying that our time can be purchased by money/ISK. Seriously? A dollar for time that you do not live? Hell no.

Time is like energy. It cannot be made and cannot be destroyed, only to be converted from one form to another. Being alive gives you time, and you spend time to do something (and presumably some of those things you do keeps you alive so you gain more time to spend).

Remapping skill points is fine because it doesn't add or subtract from the SP pool. A 100m SP pilot is still a 100m SP pilot. He had spent that amount of time to gain those valuable SP. Buying of skill points is a different thing, because it means adding more SP to the SP pool, which in other words is buying time, which is not possible.

And yes, the veterans have earned their every right to sit in a "3b cloned pimped frigate" because TIME.

Thank you.

EDIT: And this is what makes EVE intriguing because of its brutal permanence. It teaches valuable life lessons such as planning and accepting losses - lessons not many can appreciate. Flip this switch and it is no different from the throngs of MMOs out there.

It has already been answered that I could buy a char from the bazar ..other than this I could sub a new account and train for 3 months ,I see this as no differently than buying skill points directly

talking about consequences and stuff and time invested is just wrong ...:as stated before I could buy a char with the skills req the only difference is who gets my money ,a player or ccp .

I love eve ,I have played for many years ...any claims about time or effort I'm not rly listening too ,a brand new player could buy a Titan if they wanted too currently with a Titan pilot ready to fly , does this ruin eve also ??

FWIW: I would gladly pay a PLEX to get rid of the combat skills polluting my character sheet. I don't even want the SP back, just get rid of Astrometrics I, Small Hybrid Turret II etc.

Inb4 condescending nerds telling me how to play the game right (TM).

That logic is unsound. You cannot jump to the conclusion without looking at what transpired in between.

You forgot that people spent real cash to get those toons trained up, and it still takes TIME. Nothing in EVE is a direct conversion of money => skill points.

It's money => subscription = time => skill points.

P2W
It SEEMS like P2W because the convenience we get now are built on the work and effort of those who are there earlier in the game. Will your logic still stand if EVE just began last month? No. There won't be a character bazaar, because everyone is pretty much just flying *half-baked cruisers or battleships at most with *incompetent weapon skills that can't even clear a Port without warping out.

And, I think many people have a fair share of new, inexperienced players buying highly-skilled toons just to keep losing and dying like a noob. Yes, it may seem fine to be so in other games, but in EVE that's just blatant insult to the character that player just bought.

So, even if you paid to buy a high-skill character, can that ensure victory? No. Because the player lacks the experience. The game is complex because it is, especially thanks to emergent gameplay that most other games lacked environment for. So P2W is not established here. You merely paid to acquire an instrument. This instrument is of instrumental value towards securing victories, but it does not secure victories. Likewise, you would get a car so that you can drive to work, but it does not ensure that you will definitely arrive at your workplace. An inexperienced driver would likely drive slower, lose his way or even get into a traffic incident and never reach his destination.


Micro-transactions
What about Micro-transactions? Well, what about it? So far the micro-transactions (I assume Aurum credits is what you're talking about) are limited to aesthetic items such as character costumes and ship SKINs, both of which do not affect gameplay. Are you saying that having micro-transactions imply that it justifies buying skillpoints which directly affects gameplay? Go to character bazaar and get yourself a new char that somebody else spent months and years to train skills for you.


In EVE, my perspective is that Time is the base currency for skills. Yes, you train skills at different rates because of different attribute distribution, but that is within your control. You can either train at 2700 SP/hr or 1550 SP/hr, that is up to you. CCP gave you a choice to acquire up to 1,944,000 SP per 30D of subscription. It is up to you to optimize it, and it is not "buying" skill points. (refer to my conversion formula above)

Breaking this need of Time to acquire skill points could bring a lot more problem than the little convenience it brings.

Some points to note about for acquiring of skill points beyond the current system:

• What currencies will be used in the purchase of skill points?
• Who will be impacted if these currencies are allowed to purchase skill points?
• Would this create a bigger gap between the rich and the poor (IRL and in-game)?
• Who are the original beneficiaries intended?
• Would the resultant beneficiaries be the same as those intended above?

I remain unconvinced that purchasing of skill points is a good option.
However, I wholly support remapping of skill points with a time restriction.

Note to CCP: Forum discussions are always limited to a small corner of the entire community. It is qualitative but not quantitative enough to justify the discussions. The discussions here can never truly be represented unless a community-wide poll is taken, perhaps at the character selection screen. That will help give CCP quantitative data about such serious matters concerning the cornerstones of EVE gameplay.

*Edit: Beautified some words.

Technically, this already happens. Except they do it at the end of your sub, not the beginning.

Buying a character is effectively buying SP. Doesn't matter who determines the price, still doesn't change that fact.

Buying SP boosts, I actually wonder if that really matters. Personally, I don't think it really does.