Wormholes

It's been moved to the "Right Click" menu if you mouse over "Filtered", so it's still there but not as obvious. Same with the ability to filter scan results by type, or ignored signatures: http://i.imgur.com/YKGRoqe.png

I definitely think it needs to be more obvious, as I thought all of that functionality was missing originally as well.

Is it already over? Is there a new button or something I have to check on Sisi, like with the beta galaxy map? Can't seem to find the thing to test it...

I hate to say this but this seems to have clearly been done by someone who has very little to no practical experience trolling the space lanes. This is by far a step back from even the current map system.

I am going to have to look at this a second time because the only feedback I have is a wall of frustration after looking at it for 2 minutes.

There is a lot of work to be done on the actual interface as noted above but for me the overall feel of the new probing is that it's a lot more snappy and fast in ui feedback, compared to the overall wading through molasses feel that the beta map probing had.

Which is very good.

My largest fear is that CCP might not realize how we use the solar system map and that it’s not just about scanning. When I’m scouting in wormhole space, the solar system map is my main view. I even fly my ship around using the map instead of the overview. I’m a visual person so it works much better for me then using the overview. When I’m scanning, I’m also flying my ship, using dscan and watching my overview, chat windows, and local. I want to be able to do all those things, which I can do in the old solar system map, while scanning.

Here are some things I noticed when trying out the scanning interface on SISI.

In general, the icons obstruct the box and arrow handles which are used to reposition the probes. This is very annoying. I’m not sure how to fix this since sometimes you need to interact with the icon and other times you need to interact with the probe positioning handles. I can say that I don’t have this problem with the old solar system map. There are two situations where this annoyance frequently occurs.

1. The probe icons need to be turned off by default. They obstruct the box and arrow handles which are used to reposition the probes.
2. After scanning down a signature, the signature icon is directly covering the box and arrow handles which are used to reposition the probes.

The Filtered and Ignored menus are not immediately noticeable and therefore are not as intuitive as they could be. I couldn’t figure out how to unignore signals. I gave up and moved on to other things. After a while I found those menus by accident. Now that I’ve found them, I like them.

Scan results window

• I was not able to increase the width of the scan results window. It’s hard to read the info in there.
• I miss the group column and would like to see that added back in.
• I don’t like the scan progress underline. I prefer the old, full row coloring.
• As many others have said, when you click on a signal only that signal should be shown on the map. This helps so much when trying to scan down a signal.

The blinding sun is not good. You can’t see anything when you are zoomed in close to the sun.

I like the button that centers the display on your ship.

I like the clicking to center the display on a celestial/sig/anom though I think it should require a double click instead of a single click. With single click you sometime center the display when you didn’t mean to. When zoomed out, you should be able to click on a cluster of object to center the display instead of having to go into the menu or zoom in to click a specific object.

Needs a full screen mode which doesn’t obscure other windows though I assume there will be since the beta map has that option.

I learned to play eve using the radial menu so I’m very sad I can’t use the radial menu in this scanning interface and beta map. It works better for me then right click menus.

The ship icon needs to stand out more. I’m thinking it should be colored so it can quickly be found. In the old map you could quickly find your ship because of the big “you are here” label. In the scanning interface and beta map, it’s hard for me to quickly see where my ship is. While the range markers are a visual cue where your ship is, you can’t see those markers when zoomed in to look at a planet and it’s moons. (I zoom in like this when scouting a POS and trying to not get caught in a bubble trap.)

Speaking of the range markers, I never used those in the old map and didn’t realize I could turn that on. I would always hover over objects to see their range. Again, this is much nicer than using the overview to find ranges. I would like the hover to find range feature added to the scanning interface / beta map.

Bookmarks are very important to me in this view. They need to be viewable at all zoom levels.

Another feature I didn’t know existed in the old solar system map is the ability to aim your dscan with the map. I think I’ll start using this feature so I’ll add this to my list as well.

A minor nitpick I have is the interface shows nebula that doesn't match the system you're in. It looks very weird and breaks immersion. It’s not that important though.

What would be really nice is if the solar system view and scanning could be integrated into the main game view.

When I land + get home i'll jump on SiSi + see excited.

Another important point: Make sure the text results from the Scan Results is consistent for us to copy/paste. This is huge for third party tools like Siggy and Tripwire, and I don't want them to have to parse the scan results differently. For example:

Classic Map Results:

CGW-624 Cosmic Signature Wormhole Unstable Wormhole 100.00% 8.56 AU

New Test Map Results:

8.56 AU CGW-624 Unstable Wormhole 100.0%

As mentioned before, some of the columns are just missing from the new map right now, but the copy text order is wrong as well, despite looking the same.

This crap looks like it was designed by a Goon!

Oh wait

What is the base concept above merging probes tab with system solar map? This may be good for wormhole life when you scan one or few systems, but for 25+ jumps exploring it will be pain. First thing I do after jump is checking probes tab for anoms and sigs, do I have to open solar system map every time?
Also tactical overlay showed on map should be 14,3 AU why 25? Can't D-scan that far anyway.

Heyyyy you guyyys,

So, first off on behalf of Team Psycho Sisters, thanks so much for all of this feedback. We've got lots of it from here, reddit, survey, anecdotes, and Corbexx has some more for us too that he's been gathering through his channels. In the spirit of iteration, we thought we'd share some of the inital changes that have been made to the new interface based on the feedback. Please note that this list, while comprehensive of changes that have already been made, is not indicative of the final shape of the product and we are absolutely looking for an ongoing discussion so that we can deliver a scanning interface we can all be proud of and have fun using.

Before I give you the list though, I wanted to let you know about my own EVE background. I started playing in 2010 and did the oh-so-familiar train-mine-quit cycle. Came back with a friend a few weeks later, hooked up with other friends that had been playing for a while, did some missioning until that got old and then it was off to wormhole space! I've lived out of C1-4 holes, never a 5 or 6, since then (barring a brief sojourn into FW, which was fun but lacked the awesome dread that WH space imparts to me - and I'm not talking Moros). I do a ton of scanning, mainly sigs but a fair bit of combat too, so I have a lot of attachment to the scanning system, though who knows - I may use it in totally different ways to many of you. From reading this thread alone, it is clear that scanning styles and use cases vary wildly and that's one of the reasons it's so important to the team to have this discourse and iron out discrepancies.

Anyway, enough about me! Here are the changes made so far, in no particular order, based on your feedback. The new interface has been re-enabled again on Singularity, available via Ctrl-Click on the existing Probe Scanner button. Give it another go and let us know how you feel!

- Reverted probe position controls to the old one
- Removed experimental alt-click probe positioning
- Fixed position update on probe markers on init and probe warp
- Tweaked colors of probes and scene, removed starfield
- Added sun marker filter (applies to all new maps)
- Changed appearance and behaviour of probe move/scale controls
- Visibility of scan result in 3D scene reflects selection state of result list
- Decreased min size of probe scan window
- Made standard filters toggleable through 1,2,3,4,5 keys (this only works when the window is active and does not overwrite other bindings, and cannot be rebound)
- Added distance on celesital and scan result markers (applies to map as well)
- Made it possible to scan by hitting RETURN when window has focus
- Added smaller "No probes deployed" hint so its visible if the probes menu is at its min size
- Making ignored result clickable to reset the state, changed icon to X
- Adding help icon explaining probe position modifier keys
- Change Range only accessible while pressing ALT
- Added menu icon on filtered and ignored status texts
- Added support for configurable min height in DockPanelMenu allowing probe menu to be resized to one entry
- Tweaked fadeout distance on bookmark markers (applies to map as well)
- Synced the tooltip delay to inflight-bracket tooltip delay
- Added camera center offset to mapview camera
- Fixed spots in 3D scene for planets and moons
- cleaned up scan result entry
- Unified probe, intersection, warpline, movement line colors
- Added map backdrop
- Removed probe status in probelist
- Dimmed the starfield
- Polished icons on formation and probe buttons
- Tweaked appearance of menu resize handles
- Tweaked the layout so all controls are in the sidepanel
- Re-enabled the new probe scan window by CTRL-Click probescan button
- Implemented highlight indication on probes and results