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The Moment you realize you're the bad guy

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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#81 - 2015-09-14 23:16:32 UTC
Literally called all of this from the start, if this is a troll i have been gotten good.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#82 - 2015-09-14 23:17:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Hahaha, people are really surprised....?

no I'm not surprised, yet once one speaks the truth I want to see bans and max effort from CCP to make the tournament the way they pretend to (i.e. enforcing their B-team rule).

Or remove all rules regarding meta play and see what happens.

Quote:
Nothing in eve is fair

so what do you suggest? remove EULA all together, stop balancing things - Eve isn't fair.
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2015-09-14 23:18:22 UTC
DHB WildCat wrote:

4) This probably means I will never fly an AT again since I am leaving hydra and noone will probably take me in. lol

App to Habit
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#84 - 2015-09-14 23:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
Every AT has been fixed you guys, come on. Waiting for the inevitable leak of drama is half the fun. Placing a serious bet on any match in the finals is just a donation to whoever is cheating the hardest and gaming the E-B odds.
Cool

p.s. Karmafleet is recruiting

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Joey Judas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2015-09-14 23:26:36 UTC
Toasting in an epic bread
Dravyan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#86 - 2015-09-14 23:30:28 UTC
Mr Rive wrote:
Aryth wrote:
So lets see everyone on the teams banned from future AT's. All prizes siezed. We all knew they were Hydra A and Hydra B from the get go. CCP even knew but didn't have enough to do anything. Well, now you do and this isn't the first time this has happened.

If you want the AT to be anything but a farce you need to come down super hard.



...Everyone knew this was going on. We called it. I called it. I also said they played it very well, I stand by that. I sent CCP logibro a mail halfway through the tournament outlining what I thought was going on....


Let's go back to this for a second, because I find it ****ing astonishing. Was this an email or an evemail, can we see it?
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#87 - 2015-09-14 23:34:48 UTC
absurd reactionary overpunishment or riot
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#88 - 2015-09-14 23:36:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Faife
trivially, same comp same bans isn't proof of collusion or illegal. if you and your practice partner spar at least once with it, and you get the KMs, you both have full copies of that comp.

having said that, they're douchy tryhards, so ban them
Alt ofanalt Spai
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2015-09-14 23:41:26 UTC
Faife wrote:
trivially, same comp same bans isn't proof of collusion or illegal. if you and your practice partner spar at least once with it, and you get the KMs, you both have full copies of that comp.

having said that, they're douchy tryhards, so ban them




does a conversation with the team cpt that says .... man dont worry we threw that last match so we have more time to prepare........ count as proof?
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#90 - 2015-09-14 23:53:11 UTC
Alt ofanalt Spai wrote:
Faife wrote:
trivially, same comp same bans isn't proof of collusion or illegal. if you and your practice partner spar at least once with it, and you get the KMs, you both have full copies of that comp.

having said that, they're douchy tryhards, so ban them




does a conversation with the team cpt that says .... man dont worry we threw that last match so we have more time to prepare........ count as proof?


sure, in fact let me write up a few of them right now
Kadesh Priestess
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#91 - 2015-09-15 00:12:04 UTC
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#92 - 2015-09-15 00:18:58 UTC
Alt ofanalt Spai wrote:
does a conversation with the team cpt that says .... man dont worry we threw that last match so we have more time to prepare........ count as proof?

If it's true, yes. But aside from an accusation (and now a denial from the team captain), no proof has been provided yet.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2015-09-15 00:21:55 UTC
Kadesh Priestess wrote:
hi



I have no doubt DHB doesn't have the purest motives. However, as you said he left of his own volition. He had no need to post this and did anyway. You claim the chatlog is BS. Are you then saying he faked the entire log?

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#94 - 2015-09-15 01:03:35 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Aryth wrote:
The problem is the first punishment didn't work. The recent warning didn't work. The only thing that will work is a huge hammer to the face. I don't support actually banning anyone from the game. Banning from AT is a perfectly reasonable response. Not rewarding the behavior by seizing the ships is also perfectly reasonable.

Yes, everyone knew it was going on. The problem with getting caught is then the pain comes. If this was the first time this happened it might be easier to argue for no punishment. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.


banning hasnt and never will work for the tournament. People just use alts and there's no way to prove they are. Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it.


They weren't clever? Everyone was openly trolling CCP the entire tournament every time one would come up in a match. They had to post before the tournament saying don't do this? I would think clever is flying under the radar completely. This wasn't clever. It wasn't even original.


they were clever. They took a calcualted risk, with a pretty high chance of paying off, with a pretty high chance of getting away with it. They got away with it completely last year, and made a hell of a lot of isk playing the gamble. There was no reason they wouldn't get away with it again considering this year's flimsy last minute rules clarification.

The fact remains, what they did was wrong. But banning them does absolutely nothing. They will be back next year, unless ccp fundamentally changes the way they have banned people in the past.

I refuse to make the argument they should get their prizes siezed completely. one of two things will happen if that's the case. Either CCP will drastically reduce the amount of tournament ships, making the ones we have incredibly valuable, or they will redistribute the ships to the other teams, making us far better off also. I won't make an argument based around that, because it shows self interest. There can be more than enough done to them without me looking as if i want to get an advantage out of this (which i dont). I just want to make the tournament better and more competative in the future. Hydra included.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2015-09-15 01:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aryth
Mr Rive wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Aryth wrote:
The problem is the first punishment didn't work. The recent warning didn't work. The only thing that will work is a huge hammer to the face. I don't support actually banning anyone from the game. Banning from AT is a perfectly reasonable response. Not rewarding the behavior by seizing the ships is also perfectly reasonable.

Yes, everyone knew it was going on. The problem with getting caught is then the pain comes. If this was the first time this happened it might be easier to argue for no punishment. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.


banning hasnt and never will work for the tournament. People just use alts and there's no way to prove they are. Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it.


They weren't clever? Everyone was openly trolling CCP the entire tournament every time one would come up in a match. They had to post before the tournament saying don't do this? I would think clever is flying under the radar completely. This wasn't clever. It wasn't even original.


they were clever. They took a calcualted risk, with a pretty high chance of paying off, with a pretty high chance of getting away with it. They got away with it completely last year, and made a hell of a lot of isk playing the gamble. There was no reason they wouldn't get away with it again considering this year's flimsy last minute rules clarification.

The fact remains, what they did was wrong. But banning them does absolutely nothing. They will be back next year, unless ccp fundamentally changes the way they have banned people in the past.

I refuse to make the argument they should get their prizes siezed completely. one of two things will happen if that's the case. Either CCP will drastically reduce the amount of tournament ships, making the ones we have incredibly valuable, or they will redistribute the ships to the other teams, making us far better off also. I won't make an argument based around that, because it shows self interest. There can be more than enough done to them without me looking as if i want to get an advantage out of this (which i dont). I just want to make the tournament better and more competative in the future. Hydra included.


That is exactly why punishment must be severe. It ain't their first time.

I actually like the taking theirs and you guys having the only ones. Or maybe just giving you guys 2nd place #s and reclaiming 1st and 3rd (obviously just give you the difference).

But at this point CCP has to come down like a sack of bricks. Otherwise, their warnings mean nothing. I am sure Hydra will try avoid any AT ban. I am also sure a army of internet detectives would relish the opportunity to out some later on. Yay drama!

Edit: Clarifying They = Hydra

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate
#96 - 2015-09-15 01:11:03 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Kadesh Priestess wrote:
hi



I have no doubt DHB doesn't have the purest motives. However, as you said he left of his own volition. He had no need to post this and did anyway. You claim the chatlog is BS. Are you then saying he faked the entire log?


Because if he did, would that not fall under impersonation? Or is that just a violation if it's a CCP employee?
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#97 - 2015-09-15 01:16:29 UTC
Dravyan wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Aryth wrote:
So lets see everyone on the teams banned from future AT's. All prizes siezed. We all knew they were Hydra A and Hydra B from the get go. CCP even knew but didn't have enough to do anything. Well, now you do and this isn't the first time this has happened.

If you want the AT to be anything but a farce you need to come down super hard.



...Everyone knew this was going on. We called it. I called it. I also said they played it very well, I stand by that. I sent CCP logibro a mail halfway through the tournament outlining what I thought was going on....


Let's go back to this for a second, because I find it ****ing astonishing. Was this an email or an evemail, can we see it?


I'd rather not make that public, as a courtesy to CCP. I mentioned it because logibro knows i sent it, I actually sent two over the span of two weeks about it. All I will say is the content was almost the same as what I posted in my OP, except included was my suspicions about what was going on, which match almost exactly to DHB's statement.

I know this isnt really good enough, but CCP can't act without proof. If they get that proof, I hope they take what I sent them into account.
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#98 - 2015-09-15 01:19:15 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it.


so, the message you want CCP send to AT community is "feel free to cheat, worst thing what can happen is you getting caught and your prizes seized"??
This would invalidate the tournament completely and turn it into a joke as everyone would try to cheat and some for sure get away with it. Who the hell would want to watch a cheater tournament, seriously?



Pretty sure the AT is for the rich and the cheaters....


I really dont want it to be. I've been involved in the tourney since 2005. i was part of a really small team in my first year, and I remember the nerves, excitement, and joy which came with winning matches as an underdog.

I've become reasonably close with a few of these underdog teams this year, and I WANT them to do well, they deserve to with all the effort they put in. The rules CAN be changed to let these kind of teams flourish, and they should be, because that is the kind of tournament drama we want, not this crap..
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2015-09-15 01:20:58 UTC
Mr Rive wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it.


so, the message you want CCP send to AT community is "feel free to cheat, worst thing what can happen is you getting caught and your prizes seized"??
This would invalidate the tournament completely and turn it into a joke as everyone would try to cheat and some for sure get away with it. Who the hell would want to watch a cheater tournament, seriously?



Pretty sure the AT is for the rich and the cheaters....


I really dont want it to be. I've been involved in the tourney since 2005. i was part of a really small team in my first year, and I remember the nerves, excitement, and joy which came with winning matches as an underdog.

I've become reasonably close with a few of these underdog teams this year, and I WANT them to do well, they deserve to with all the effort they put in. The rules CAN be changed to let these kind of teams flourish, and they should be, because that is the kind of tournament drama we want, not this crap..


I dunno. This is pretty good drama.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#100 - 2015-09-15 01:25:56 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it.


so, the message you want CCP send to AT community is "feel free to cheat, worst thing what can happen is you getting caught and your prizes seized"??
This would invalidate the tournament completely and turn it into a joke as everyone would try to cheat and some for sure get away with it. Who the hell would want to watch a cheater tournament, seriously?



Pretty sure the AT is for the rich and the cheaters....


I really dont want it to be. I've been involved in the tourney since 2005. i was part of a really small team in my first year, and I remember the nerves, excitement, and joy which came with winning matches as an underdog.

I've become reasonably close with a few of these underdog teams this year, and I WANT them to do well, they deserve to with all the effort they put in. The rules CAN be changed to let these kind of teams flourish, and they should be, because that is the kind of tournament drama we want, not this crap..


I dunno. This is pretty good drama.


Yeah it is, but then some of us care about the tournament too, and its not worth the frustration seeing this bullshit play out during the tournament, for the chance for a bit of hydra evasion trolling afterwards.