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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#41 - 2015-09-12 06:36:40 UTC
My time is split here or on twitter.

#tweetfleet

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Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#42 - 2015-09-12 06:57:48 UTC
The signal to noise ratio on these forums is very low. The forums are hijacked by spammers, trolls and packs of posters with (not so) hidden agendas. Back when they were (mostly) contained in CAOD it was workable but these days posting on the forums, even more so as a DEV, is like choosing to do some tap dancing on a minefield. I'm not a fan of Reddit, I don't have an account there, but it's obvious to see that generally conversations tend to be more about the actual subject.

Whether choosing to thus use Reddit is another matter, I'd say that long term it's better to clean up your own forums rather than abandoning them, even more so as (prospective) newbies will check the forums, come to the conclusion it's full of terribleness and simply not bother with the game.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#43 - 2015-09-12 07:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Tiberius Heth wrote:
The signal to noise ratio on these forums is very low. The forums are hijacked by spammers, trolls and packs of posters with (not so) hidden agendas. Back when they were (mostly) contained in CAOD it was workable but these days posting on the forums, even more so as a DEV, is like choosing to do some tap dancing on a minefield.

Yes.... Roll I too miss the wild west days of... the old forums Smile Gunslingers, cowboy hats, the chance of dying of typhoid, oh good times, good times all! Big smile
Now I feel a little choked by... say... millennialism *shrugs* and songs of "welcome to the new age" (imagedragons - radioactive), dunno why. I'll stick with Garth, Social Distortion and the man in black, do my best to endure. Can't be worse than trendy social media quite honestly.

I'm in it for the money

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Salvos Rhoska
#44 - 2015-09-12 10:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Whether choosing to thus use Reddit is another matter, I'd say that long term it's better to clean up your own forums rather than abandoning them, even more so as (prospective) newbies will check the forums, come to the conclusion it's full of terribleness and simply not bother with the game.


My experience of reddit is its cliquish, unmoderated, lacks culpability, and one has to scroll through endless useless "semi-funny hurdur" one-liners that take the discussion nowhere, to pick out the occasional actual relevant and material concise paragraph.

Much of its success lies in people who don't have the patience, coherence or attention-span to process/produce more than one sentence at a time in a post.

Its very superficial, and the content lacks depth.

For example:
Nobody would read the full two paragraphs you posted here, if they were posted on reddit, and it would be followed up with a huge string of one-liners.

Twitter is even worse.
Tis a silly format used by, appropriately, "twits".

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#45 - 2015-09-12 16:21:47 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
[quote=Tiberius Heth]
Twitter is even worse.
Tis a silly format used by, appropriately, "twits".


Ouch Smile

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HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-09-12 18:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: HeXxploiT
Ultim8Evil wrote:
Why have CCP Devs taken to using Reddit more than the official Eve-O forums?

Compared to 2-3 years ago, these forums are dead, yet when I read articles on 3rd party websites or listen to podcasts, I'm inundated with "CCP [insert name] said on Reddit" or "blah blah was confirmed by CCP [insert name] on a Reddit post".

Have CCP abandoned their own forums in favour of Reddit?

BTW, serious question, not a rant.



Eve has talons into the real world such as RMT.
Because pilots place such value on their accounts and view them as real world assets they frequently want to talk about issues that will get their thread closed on this forum.
Also because pilots accounts are so highly valued every change CCP makes results in a teter-tauter effect to isk & power which has the tendency to make pilots want to vent more so than in other virtual realities and that's just not permitted on these forums.

Pilots value their accounts so they WILL find a place to talk about it.
Where pilots go to talk devs will follow them. Freedom always makes for the most illuminating conversations. Cool
Salvos Rhoska
#47 - 2015-09-12 18:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
HeXxploiT wrote:

Where pilots go to talk devs will follow them. Freedom always makes for the most illuminating conversations. Cool


If by "illuminating", you also mean unmoderated anonymous shiptoasting, and enticing devs out to where they can be influenced and are vulnerable, then yes.

Its a dangeous game you suggest. For Devs, because they are at the mercy of posters, and for players, because if a Dev whines to a GM, your ingame account might be banned for something that happened on a 3rd party system.

So the "freedom" you suggest, isnt really that at all.

Imagine if 4chan set up an EVE board.
That gives you some idea of the imperative of an official board, and keeping Devs tied to it.

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HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-09-12 19:11:21 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:

Where pilots go to talk devs will follow them. Freedom always makes for the most illuminating conversations. Cool


If by "illuminating", you also mean unmoderated anonymous shiptoasting, and enticing devs out to where they can be influenced and are vulnerable, then yes.

Its a dangeous game you suggest. For Devs, because they are at the mercy of posters, and for players, because if a Dev whines to a GM, your ingame account might be banned for something that happened on a 3rd party system.

So the "freedom" you suggest, isnt really that at all.

Imagine if 4chan set up an EVE board.
That gives you some idea of the imperative of an official board, and keeping Devs tied to it.


I'm not justifying the devs presence on other forums just explaining it. The illuminating aspect is a natural result of the players themselves being able to speak their minds.
Salvos Rhoska
#49 - 2015-09-12 19:40:00 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
l'm not justifying the devs presence on other forums just explaining it. The illuminating aspect is a natural result of the players themselves being able to speak their minds.

They can speak their mind here too, as long as it done in a way that fits normal standards of responsible and civilised communication.

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Leeluvv
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-09-12 19:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Leeluvv
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Whether choosing to thus use Reddit is another matter, I'd say that long term it's better to clean up your own forums rather than abandoning them, even more so as (prospective) newbies will check the forums, come to the conclusion it's full of terribleness and simply not bother with the game.


My experience of reddit is its cliquish, unmoderated, lacks culpability, and one has to scroll through endless useless "semi-funny hurdur" one-liners that take the discussion nowhere, to pick out the occasional actual relevant and material concise paragraph.

Much of its success lies in people who don't have the patience, coherence or attention-span to process/produce more than one sentence at a time in a post.

Its very superficial, and the content lacks depth.

For example:
Nobody would read the full two paragraphs you posted here, if they were posted on reddit, and it would be followed up with a huge string of one-liners.

Twitter is even worse.
Tis a silly format used by, appropriately, "twits".


You've just demonstrated that you don't have a clue how Reddit works. The beauty of that forum is that the crap and detritus sink to the bottom and are easily ignored, whereas the interesting and relevant articles rise to the top. On the Eve-O forums the top is time driven, not quality driven. This doesn't mean there isn't rubbish on Reddit, but you get rid of it much faster than on Eve-O.

P.S. If you subscribe to Lolcatspukingonchairs sub-reddit, you're always going to get crap, so it does also depend on your personal tastes. If you personally only ever see crap, this may say more about you than it says about Reddit.
Salvos Rhoska
#51 - 2015-09-12 20:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Leeluvv wrote:

You've just demonstrated that you don't have a clue how Reddit works. The beauty of that forum is that the crap and detritus sink to the bottom and are easily ignored, whereas the interesting and relevant articles rise to the top. On the Eve-O forums the top is time driven, not quality driven. This doesn't mean there isn't rubbish on Reddit, but you get rid of it much faster than on Eve-O.


Quite the contrary.
In reality, on reddit, its exactly the crap and detritus that is upvoted to the top, whereas someone making the mistake of posting a full paragraph (two would be unthinkable) is ignored and sinks to the bottom.

You confuse popular opinion driven content, with quality.

On reddit the crap floats like a turd that will not flush.

Its indicative of your mentality and what I said about short attention spans, that you would think the tried and tested forum system doesnt float quality. Here, what is at the top, is that which is getting most content from posters. Its not time driven, its content driven. When the thread no longer concerns people, it promptly stops being fed with posts and drops off the board as uninteresting to participate in.

On reddit, what is at the top, is just whatever poop the public upvotes, (or downvotes, or ignores) regardless of contributing to it.
Voting is systemically a quantitative measure, not a qualitative one, except as a simple +/- vote.
The vote itself provides no content, whereas a post required to keep a thread alive on a forum, is inherently qualitative, and includes content.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#52 - 2015-09-12 20:31:36 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Ever try accessing these forums from a smart phone? Might as well be fueling a fighter jet with coal.

Almost all of my posting and forumworrioring is done via smart phone,
Kids/college/irl in general necessitate this soWhat?
It's not entirely unreasonable to do with a decent sized phone with a generous data plan.
generally speaking though if I have time to sit at the pc I would actually be playing the game rather than talking about it.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#53 - 2015-09-14 16:12:02 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Ever try accessing these forums from a smart phone? Might as well be fueling a fighter jet with coal.

Almost all of my posting and forumworrioring is done via smart phone,
Kids/college/irl in general necessitate this soWhat?
It's not entirely unreasonable to do with a decent sized phone with a generous data plan.
generally speaking though if I have time to sit at the pc I would actually be playing the game rather than talking about it.




It's the tiny little touchpads and the auto-correct that I cannot shut off.

Makes me want to burn things.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#54 - 2015-09-14 21:19:25 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
It's the tiny little touchpads and the auto-correct that I cannot shut off.

Makes me want to burn things.
weird, should be settings on your keyboard app that will shut it off, even iphone does this Straight Or try a different keyboard app, I bought one off google play and use it for all my android devices, has pages of settings and customizations. I have a bluetooth keyboard too, but I just use it for my tablet sometimes, has settings too.

I'm in it for the money

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