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The EVE universe needs a game like Crusader Kings 2 (I think)
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Cfern Arsten
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-09-12 16:00:28 UTC
I've been struggling to figure out how to play Crusader Kings 2 and during that process I compare it to my favorite difficult game, EVE Online. Let me summarize Crusader Kings 2 as poorly as I can:


  • It is a very detailed strategy game with a terrible user interface
  • It includes typical mechanics regarding troops, invading neighbors, taxation
  • But it also has advanced features regarding spy networks
  • Murder plots
  • And more importantly, lineage


You don't play one character in Crusader Kings, you define a lineage of power by having children, defining rules, and passing power down after your characters die.

It crossed my mind that similar mechanics could exist like this in the EVE Universe. I can imagine a separate game where you define/control/influence the lives of NPCs in the universe. You engage in the politics, set up plots to kill opponents (if possible), sabotage competitors, etc. As a result of controlling/influencing the NPCs (I guess they're no longer NPCs at this point), it could influence the EVE Universe regarding which NPCs are available (such as agents), their qualities, and some degree of power fluctuations.

Example of CK2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNBmt2zrvDs

It was just an idea but I would love to see something like this. Even on a small level with a few planets.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#2 - 2015-09-12 16:26:47 UTC
Cfern Arsten wrote:
I've been struggling to figure out how to play Crusader Kings 2 and during that process I compare it to my favorite difficult game, EVE Online. Let me summarize Crusader Kings 2 as poorly as I can:


  • It is a very detailed strategy game with a terrible user interface
  • It includes typical mechanics regarding troops, invading neighbors, taxation
  • But it also has advanced features regarding spy networks
  • Murder plots
  • And more importantly, lineage


You don't play one character in Crusader Kings, you define a lineage of power by having children, defining rules, and passing power down after your characters die.

It crossed my mind that similar mechanics could exist like this in the EVE Universe. I can imagine a separate game where you define/control/influence the lives of NPCs in the universe. You engage in the politics, set up plots to kill opponents (if possible), sabotage competitors, etc. As a result of controlling/influencing the NPCs (I guess they're no longer NPCs at this point), it could influence the EVE Universe regarding which NPCs are available (such as agents), their qualities, and some degree of power fluctuations.

Example of CK2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNBmt2zrvDs

It was just an idea but I would love to see something like this. Even on a small level with a few planets.


Might not be the same idea but I've always wished that Planetary Interaction was like Civilization: Beyond Earth

What if you could see the civilization from orbit and shoot it?

Would be neat!

@lunettelulu7
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#3 - 2015-09-12 16:31:18 UTC
Cfern Arsten wrote:

  • It is a very detailed strategy game with a terrible user interface
  • It includes typical mechanics regarding troops, invading neighbors, taxation
  • But it also has advanced features regarding spy networks
  • Murder plots
  • And more importantly, lineage


You don't play one character in Crusader Kings, you define a lineage of power by having children, defining rules, and passing power down after your characters die.

All of these things are already here in EVE in abundance, and a daily part of life for many players.

Stuff that's missing, lineage, children, inheritance you can add with a little RP, and many already do.

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Cfern Arsten
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-09-12 16:32:44 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Cfern Arsten wrote:

  • It is a very detailed strategy game with a terrible user interface
  • It includes typical mechanics regarding troops, invading neighbors, taxation
  • But it also has advanced features regarding spy networks
  • Murder plots
  • And more importantly, lineage


You don't play one character in Crusader Kings, you define a lineage of power by having children, defining rules, and passing power down after your characters die.

All of these things are already here in EVE in abundance, and a daily part of life for many players.

Stuff that's missing, lineage, children, inheritance you can add with a little RP, and many already do.



These things definitely exist in EVE already IN SPACE. I'm thinking another type of game could exist on some planets or even within stations...
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#5 - 2015-09-12 16:39:28 UTC
Stellaris by Paradox (the same folks who developed CK2) was announced a month ago, might be as close as it gets to what you want. Stay tuned for updates.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-09-12 17:09:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
There's a few aspects of how CK2 plays out in game that have 'almost mirrors' in eve.

Almohad doomstacks == 150+ super fleets
Karling Alliance == Blue Donut
Karling Implosion == many old allainces/coalitions

fair number of others too ..
Salvos Rhoska
#7 - 2015-09-12 18:07:34 UTC
Im all for more player influence on NPC dynamics/mechanics.

There was an obscure 90s Microprose release called Starlord that was very similar to a CKII/EVE crossover, before either one existed. It involved dynasty, trade, system control, the whole caboodle, ableit in a primitive 1 player setting. I still occassionaly dream of this game to this very day.

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Cfern Arsten
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-09-12 18:16:54 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Im all for more player influence on NPC dynamics/mechanics.

There was an obscure 90s Microprose release called Starlord that was very similar to a CKII/EVE crossover, before either one existed. It involved dynasty, trade, system control, the whole caboodle, ableit in a primitive 1 player setting. I still occassionaly dream of this game to this very day.


Well, that sounds very close to what I'm imagining. Basically I can see those items you mention with a little city management on stations and/or planets.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-09-12 19:01:31 UTC
ck2 and eve will never be alike because in ck2 you can jump right in and start having fun minute zero.

in eve it's mandated you not play for 6 months before you can begin trying to enjoy yourself.
Cfern Arsten
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-09-13 07:23:05 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
ck2 and eve will never be alike because in ck2 you can jump right in and start having fun minute zero.

in eve it's mandated you not play for 6 months before you can begin trying to enjoy yourself.


I don't think that's an accurate description of CK2. It's rather dense, complicated, and visually messy.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#11 - 2015-09-13 07:48:49 UTC
Cfern Arsten wrote:
I've been struggling to figure out how to play Crusader Kings 2 and during that process I compare it to my favorite difficult game, EVE Online. Let me summarize Crusader Kings 2 as poorly as I can:


  • It is a very detailed strategy game with a terrible user interface
  • It includes typical mechanics regarding troops, invading neighbors, taxation
  • But it also has advanced features regarding spy networks
  • Murder plots
  • And more importantly, lineage


You don't play one character in Crusader Kings, you define a lineage of power by having children, defining rules, and passing power down after your characters die.

It crossed my mind that similar mechanics could exist like this in the EVE Universe. I can imagine a separate game where you define/control/influence the lives of NPCs in the universe. You engage in the politics, set up plots to kill opponents (if possible), sabotage competitors, etc. As a result of controlling/influencing the NPCs (I guess they're no longer NPCs at this point), it could influence the EVE Universe regarding which NPCs are available (such as agents), their qualities, and some degree of power fluctuations.

Example of CK2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNBmt2zrvDs

It was just an idea but I would love to see something like this. Even on a small level with a few planets.


Thats what Dust is supposed to be. Unfortunately, CCP.
Cfern Arsten
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-09-13 07:50:16 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:

Thats what Dust is supposed to be. Unfortunately, CCP.


That is incorrect.