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New corps cant flourish because of war-deccers

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Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#21 - 2012-01-03 17:05:10 UTC
Isabelle Andiun wrote:
Hi all,

I have been a part of a new corp for about a week now, which was created about a week ago and currently, we have 2 wars going.

I have left the corp now (24hr stasis period remaining) because I cant play the game due to station campers. I feel that the 2mil per week or whatever war dec charge for corps isnt enough. I think that the war dec cost should be in relation to how new the corp is as well as member count for the corp being decced against.

The same thing happened in a corp that I was in on my alt, which I took a break from EVE because it frustrated me so much (as well as me forgetting that I could just leave :D)

But seriously, its too hard on new players/corps because of this


This is probably why people who don't want to have a really hard time in EvE should spend a little time playing before starting a corp of their own. Learn the game first. Get directors that frequent the forums and dev blogs to learn the latest mechanic changes. Corporations that do not know how to take advantage of these mechanics will fall prey to the various hi-sec lowlifes that do...meaning you'll find yourselves completely helpless to even play the game or be forced to leave corp, as you have.

Out of corp reppers, corp jumping, etc...are quite common tactics used in hisec. There's no defense against this even if you're willing to step up and have a go at your enemies. If you've got a respectable enemy then you can go learn some PvP against them. I used to wardec newb corps so my own newbs would have reasonable targets and wasn't afraid to give a "fair" fight (I still took every reasonable advantage), but a great many wardec corps will never do this.

Any responsible, hisec carebear corp should know about the dec-shield and how to use it. CCP has pretty much made it impossible to wardec a corp that doesn't want to be now. It's a weenie kind of move, rather cowardly really...but that's what hisec is about.

My friend and I started a corp when we first came on. I'd spent a little time in one but only a week or so. We had a hard time of it. We didn't get wardeced, but then again we didn't headquarter in Jita or something dumb like that. We did run afoul of gankers and such though and were pretty helpless to do much about it. We grew out of this naive phase and joined corps run by people who knew what they were doing...moved out into 0.0 and now I see hisec as a place to do some shopping and grind easy isk while popping random miners and industrials. It's a place to visit, not a place to live.

Tell your CEO to go tutor him/herself on the hisec wardec shield and you'll never have wardec problems again...or go move out into "lawless" space where the rules don't create the stupid, "I can get you but you can't get me," type of "war".
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-03 17:05:15 UTC
How do you think all the large corporations started out? Do you think some corporations just appear into existence with a hundred of 50M SP characters?

Everyone starts off the same. Some endure and become great, some give up and whine on the forums.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-01-03 17:09:26 UTC
Xiode wrote:
Have you ever thought about why you got wardec'd in the first place?Shocked


There's not always some grand reason/motivation. Sometimes, they just want some "safe" pew-pew; by "safe," I mean targets that really don't stand much of a chance against them, barring any nasty surprises.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#24 - 2012-01-03 17:28:02 UTC
It is, in fact, a problem when a Corp is founded by noobs for noobs as they are insulated from the experience older players can give. Worse, if they recuit other noobs, they pass their own incomplete knowledge or even outright ignorance on to them.
If this is the case here and if this wardec will cause those noobs to ultimately join another, more experienced Corp/Alliance, then it is actually a good thing in the long run.

Sad, but that´s Eve.

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Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#25 - 2012-01-03 17:34:38 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
How do you think all the large corporations started out? Do you think some corporations just appear into existence with a hundred of 50M SP characters?

Everyone starts off the same. Some endure and become great, some give up and whine on the forums.

Most good corporations start with a handful of active, experienced leaders. With such a backbone, you can recruit noobs, train them, and become a strong corporation.

If you start out with a dozen guys who just joined the game, and nobody to teach them, it will be a miracle if the corp succeeds.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644

Marsan
#26 - 2012-01-03 17:37:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
Getting station camped is really scary the 1st time it happens but in HS it's really not much of an issue. What you can do if they station camp you.

1) Drop corp. If you don't have roles you can just drop corp and they can't touch you without concord getting involved. If you have roles drop them and play another game for a day. Then drop corp.

2) Head out in a pod. They will suffer the same issues podding in HS war or no war. Sure some people will still pod you but it's hard to get a pod in HS if you are careful. If you can clone jump I highly advise jumping to a bare clone before the war officially starts.

3) Remember if you don't shoot back you can always dock up again.

4) Now is a good time to work on that market or PI alt. I find I make more money when my corp is at war. As I'm forced to do much more with my market alt.

5) Clone jump the hard way. Exit the station in your pod and self destruct. This will send you to where ever your clone is based. Which for most PVE is a long way away.


PS- Remember you can always sell off your ship or come back later if you are patient.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#27 - 2012-01-03 18:34:15 UTC
Insta undocks and basic teamwork are your friends. pair of blackbirds and 3+ thorax or what have you will see off some of these station campers (depends on their fleet composition but usually isn't too hard).

If you ask around on here rather than just coming to complain then you will find some very helpful advice out there ♥

Most of these bads that wardec noob corps do so because they are incompetent and have to pick on what they see as an easy target.

If you mix some ecm and dps ships and kill their ego-stroking expensive ships (before all your cheap crap ships explode) then they will start whining like you would never believe and retract the dec and go try and act hard against some other targets.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#28 - 2012-01-03 18:35:27 UTC
Marsan wrote:
2) Head out in a pod. They will suffer the same issues podding in HS war or no war. Sure some people will still pod you but it's hard to get a pod in HS if you are careful. If you can clone jump I highly advise jumping to a bare clone before the war officially starts.

You are wrong. You can pod war targets in highsec with no repercusions. The only difficult bit is locking them in time.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#29 - 2012-01-03 19:31:46 UTC
CCP has made it not an exploit to use dec shields and whatnot, so wardecks are now pointless anyway unless both sides want to fight.
Marsan
#30 - 2012-01-03 20:08:11 UTC
Jack Dant wrote:
Marsan wrote:
2) Head out in a pod. They will suffer the same issues podding in HS war or no war. Sure some people will still pod you but it's hard to get a pod in HS if you are careful. If you can clone jump I highly advise jumping to a bare clone before the war officially starts.

You are wrong. You can pod war targets in highsec with no repercusions. The only difficult bit is locking them in time.


Hmm maybe I'm wrong and I'm mixing up it up with all the neutral repers we've been facing.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-03 21:06:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Dbars Grinding
dont listen to ppl telling u not to undock. Dont be a wee wee baby and fight them. Find people that will remote rep you that are neutral if they wanna camp your station. Also as said above get a lot of ecm and just lololololol. And around 8mil skill points gives u a T2 fully fit BC if not less so the we dont have enough SP argument is void.

I have more space likes than you. 

Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-01-04 02:01:45 UTC
Didn't they fix neutral reps in a recent patch or something? I remember people being all paranoid about it in Incursions. "OMG, HE'S WARDECCED! BOOT HIM!"

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#33 - 2012-01-04 07:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
@OP
Or you could learn to play EvE.
Were are your corps insta undock bookmarks?
Were is you corps forums? With ship load outs for combat. Tactics and FC contact info?
Were are you provided combat ships out of the company war chest?
Were are you alternate staging systems? Have the necessary steps been taken to ship needed things to it? Have jump clones been installed?



Let me guess one of you got some corp management skills and decided you can do this..........
The problem here is no one makes shure a CO can run a company or that sead company has any direction or idea what it's doing.

See new corps need to do this thing called "work" were you do "research" and figure out how you handle things, like the staggering % of war decs a new corp gets in its first year.
I'm positive also that at some point one of you ran your mouth, or did some thing flashy/dumb (bling fit mission ships ect ect) and now you can't deal.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 

Isabelle Andiun
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-01-04 08:03:28 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
@OP
Or you could learn to play EvE.
Were are your corps insta undock bookmarks?
Were is you corps forums? With ship load outs for combat. Tactics and FC contact info?
Were are you provided combat ships out of the company war chest?
Were are you alternate staging systems? Have the necessary steps been taken to ship needed things to it? Have jump clones been installed?



Let me guess one of you got some corp management skills and decided you can do this..........
The problem here is no one makes shure a CO can run a company or that sead company has any direction or idea what it's doing.

See new corps need to do this thing called "work" were you do "research" and figure out how you handle things, like the staggering % of war decs a new corp gets in its first year.
I'm positive also that at some point one of you ran your mouth, or did some thing flashy/dumb (bling fit mission ships ect ect) and now you can't deal.


What i love is how people ASSUME that my whole (ex) corp is made up of noobs.. the CEO has been playing for a long while and had 4 accounts with hulks/orcas and god knows what else, he knew what he was doing, I wasnt ready for being station camped.

Thank you for all your help (directed at the actual helpful people) and friendly mails that I got from some of you :D
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#35 - 2012-01-04 08:24:00 UTC
I didn't have to ASSUME You can't get past station camps, you have no ability to get out side eyes and no insta warps to use to escape, your fult.
You have abandoned your corp, this reflects on your CO's choices in emplyes. also 4 acounts do not a skilled eve player make. He did not dodge the dec's nor found a way to deal with the dec's.

"how to deal with a war dec in eve online" one put in Google gives About 84,800,000 results if after that you still needed the forums I believe by internet law and the power of the LOLcatz I can say what I please to you.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 

lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-01-04 08:32:21 UTC
Isabelle Andiun wrote:
What i love is how people ASSUME that my whole (ex) corp is made up of noobs.. the CEO has been playing for a long while and had 4 accounts with hulks/orcas and god knows what else, he knew what he was doing, I wasnt ready for being station camped.

Thank you for all your help (directed at the actual helpful people) and friendly mails that I got from some of you :D


1. The ASSUMPTION part comes from your OP. Maybe learn to express yourself better or provide a bit more background if you don't want to get misunderstood.

2. Just because the CEO has been playing for a long time doesn't mean he knows what he's doing or how to handle wardecs. Case in point. 4 accounts with mining **** has nothing to do with knowledge/experience on how to handle a wardec.

3. If you were station camped, it's as much your corp's problem as well as your own ignorance on how to handle them. Why? Because a decent corp would know to instruct its members or provide them with insta-undocks, and if they haven't yet, we're telling you about them here, and that you should make them.

tl;dr Get yourself in a better corp cos atm your corp suck, especially your CEO

Othran
Route One
#37 - 2012-01-04 08:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Isabelle Andiun wrote:

What i love is how people ASSUME that my whole (ex) corp is made up of noobs.. the CEO has been playing for a long while and had 4 accounts with hulks/orcas and god knows what else, he knew what he was doing, I wasnt ready for being station camped.


If you intend docking somewhere more than once then you should always make insta-undocks. Really. High-sec, low-sec, null-sec, makes no odds as if you play long enough then you WILL use them.

When you don't have an insta-undock and you're camped in then use an alt to make one, copy it to a can and contract the can to your main.

"Wasn't ready" in your case means "didn't/don't know what to do" and there's no shame in that, we've all been there at some point. You shouldn't expect CCP to help you out though, and if that IS what you expect then you are playing the wrong game.

I posted this in another thread but Agony Unleashed (they do PvP classes amongst other things) have made their wiki public now - Linkage - and you should find all the info you need there to cope with a wardec, assuming you want to deal with it.
Thestarling
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-01-04 12:47:08 UTC
I'm coming to the party a bit late, but I'll add my 2 cents anyhow Big smile

Recently, my poor corp got war-dec'd not once but TWICE, and at the same time. It was a confusing and exciting time, everyone scrambling around trying to figure out how to handle it. Our eventual solution was staying in low-sec.

Low-sec has lots of money making opprotunites, and those silly hi-sec pvpers won't risk going in for the most part. Only one of our guys got killed and we managed to take down a Tempest that wandered in looking for a good time.

So, consider low-sec as an alternative to leaving your corp, or dec shielding. You will be able to continue missioning, ratting, and mining and you might even make more money than you did in hi-sec. Low-sec is very dead these days and in many ways it is safer than the alternatives.

Thestarling Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN

Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#39 - 2012-01-04 12:52:50 UTC
TwistedYes come to low sec. And bring your Faction/DED/officer fit faction ships.
Pirate I will also except officer fit hulks and orcas.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 

Odemis
Death By Design
#40 - 2012-01-04 14:27:38 UTC
PVPers join your corp to kill dudes

Just saw this in the C&P forum.. not sure if it works or not, but it looks legit.
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