EVE General Discussion

It all started with the demise of the Jukebox.

Don't f**k with the box.


Now even the Funky Bacon show on Eve Radio is going away.


The game has been in a malaise since 2014, but is it going to die? No. A realignment is afoot. For better or worse. I have not been logging in because I'm wearing so many RW hats right now I'm like the Jamaican from those old Living Color skits.

I'm suspecting that there is a segment of the player population that is having more fun than ever.


Meanwhile, I have said for years, that the Eve "experience" has to be more than a game. Imagine if there as a series of books and media around it, real playable PC BASED spinoff games (I did say PC Based), and even a TV-Series or entire genre.

Imagine if you will, if there was a space MMO based on Star Trek, but going back decades because it was in parallel to the series. And imagine if, to this day, you would meet people who were in the battle of Wolf 359, or that day the Borg tried to take Earth.

A game with that much media footprint, comprising a genre, would never die, because it's not all game. Even Funky Bacon today stated, while explaining that his show is ending this month and he's taking a break from the game, that Eve has become more interesting to read and talk about - and at times, it has.

And on the "read and talk about" note, that's pretty much where I'm coming from regarding a full sprectrum genre. There would even be fans into it who never play the actual game.

One thing that kept my fires for the game going was the Live Events, which appear to be on something of a comeback. The golden age was still in the Dropbear era. While that age seems past, there appears to be more synch between game news, the chronicling, and live events, which is good. It's also been stated (though I forget where) that "Manifest destiny" in Eve is going away, that players will influence things more in the future. This too is good.

And speaking of chronicles, that too appears to be on the wane, and it's going away from what I think would be good for the genre of Eve. CCP seems to be contracting lately, so possibly there are less people writing them. Unfortunately (if you read Vox Day's blog) sci-fi literature is in total suck mode these days and it has sucked the life out of sci-fi overall. There is simply no interest in it.

I can sit here and prescribe "solutions" all day, but that would not change the fact that while I have opinions, in the end I do not know the overall status beyond what's apparent on the surface (less subs because more skill ques, PLEX prices, etc) and I don't know how to change that.

I let one account die because I was overstretched on accounts. There must be something to having a lot of accounts because more than 2 is a chore for me. But I was never given Ritalin as a kid (it didn't exist then, if we didn't sit still we got punished and that worked) so maybe I don't have the mindset for a zillion accounts. The other two accounts I just maintain, but thanks to long skill ques I can go for months without having to log in. And that's a good thing. Because these days I cannot. All I can do it post while computers update and reboot - and now back on the clock.

And these two parties are driven to Jita, where they make a trade of 1.1billion ISK for a PLEX?

You probably should read-back your own post. Poor you, only being able to afford 2-3000 months of play-time, damn those high plex prices squeezing trillionaires!

I was talking about other people. We had no problems funding the plex's but we are well off but not every one has the ISK. Please remember many of us had been in game since year 1.

We left because the changes made by CCP, we no longer enjoyed the game.

I find if fully believeable. I have a group of friends that deal easily in multibillions per week for industry and trade.

But they would drop it all as soon as the couriers disappear.

Nah once the decline in numbers has started to turn into RAPID!!! it isn't worth the effort.

I still see newbies around though, in Deklein or in Pure Blind...

Yes, ofc its a game. Do you really think you just now told me something I was not aware of?
Yes, its supposed to be fun. Again, as above.
Yes, everyone should play it the way they want. Again as above.

I was simply making a suggestion.
Its not how "I want them to play".
I made it in an effort to provide an option for how to play the game, in a way that they might enjoy, that would possibly still be fun for them.

Have you had a bad day, or why this astounding arrogance and insulting condescension?
Wtf is wrong with you?

No he didn't. He didn't tell you to do anything. He made a well-meaning suggestion for an alternative style of gameplay, complete with pros and question marks.

The only thing anyone, myself included, would actually tell you to do outright is inform us all what exactly it is that is wrong with you.

Some interesting comments.

Our corp shared its BPO's to new members, usually from feeder corps of known associates. The BPO's where locked down and members could use the station factories to build from and the POS's to copy to. The corp did not charge a tax nor did it seek to exploit its members in any way shape or form. A few things went missing from time to time but nothing of any great value.

Members came and went and used the corp to make their own ISK, it worked well. We did not have hundreds of members usually 10 or so noobs at a time who spent a few weeks or months before they went back to their feeder corps, left to do something else or just left the game.

As for giving stuff away I know that I donated ISK of over 250 billion in the 6 months before I left and I know other members liquidated some assets to donate to their Eve friends. Eve is a community and we all had friends outside the corp, some were in hostile corps, some pirates, and some had simply fallen on hard times.

The change to industry was a killer blow for us. Having to move BPO's around between stations and POS's killed our gameplay. It may work for others but for us it was the final nail in the coffin. It had take maybe 5 years to build our little empire but was gone in a patch.

We had several offers to move our operation to null sec but we did not like the direction CCP was taking null sec and what I am reading now makes the decision to decline a wise move indeed.

I have seen little positive developments from CCP / CSM that will take the game in a direction that I am comfortable with. It all about null sec and skins.

I worry that the continuing increase in plex prices, or plexation for want of a better word will do more harm to Eve than any changes CCP make. Most new players have to pay to play they don't have the means to buy plex for ISK for some considerable time. New players are the lifeblood of any game, lose them, its game over.

Eve is a game, its got to be fun, it can and should be difficult / challenging but when it become a way of life then its time to quit.

Roll out the Sandpark, that's the solution as I see it.

In a game you shouldn't put all the responsibility of "what to do" upon the player.

Keep all the sandbox we have now, and expand upon it in the future as well, but also add in themepark, give players some goals other than what they can think up.

That will pull in a lot of people.

Just don't make the mistake that this will require the game to be dumbed down. It won't.