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Testing for Multibuy on Sisi

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-09-11 18:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Hi all,

Today we are opening up testing on Singularity for the new multibuy feature. We have not yet committed to a release for it, but we want to start public testing on it now and see how that goes before deciding when it will be released.

It's been a commonly requested feature by players and devs alike so we are pretty excited to be introducing it... now reshipping after losing a ship will be so much easier. :D
The target user group is the crowd that wants to buy their stuff "here and now", even though that can come at a slightly higher price.

Those who like to play the market game and focus on margins will probably in most cases want to have a full context for the orders of each item, so we decided to focus the user experience on the immediate buyers and keep things simple. Therefore, multibuy will only offer immediate buys in a station in your current solar system.

Convenience comes at a price, so with multibuy, the unit price you pay for each item type will be the price at which you can buy the quantity you requested. Similar to the multisell window, each item type in the multibuy window shows how the unit price compares to the average price, and a tooltip will show the best price in the station, solar system as well as region. If the price is not to your liking you can always remove those items from the buy order and buy them order by order from the market window.

You will still be able to set up single non-immediate orders, just like before.

The multibuy window can be opened when right clicking two or more items in your hangar ("Buy all..."), from fittings ("Buy fit..." button), right clicking a folder in the Market Quickbar ("Buy all...") or by opening the multibuy window from a button in the Market window and dragging stuff into it.

So, please test it out let us know what you think!

In the process of making this feature, we had to make some changes to the multisell window, so it would also be appreciated if you tested that out too.

Please file bugreports on any issues you find (you can also mention them here, but not instead of bugreporting them).

Known issue:
- icons for green&red arrows to indicate whether the price is above or below regional average are missing from this build

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

Mamoru Usobusuke
Sentinel Event
Hatakani Trade Winds Combine
#2 - 2015-09-11 18:54:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mamoru Usobusuke
Thank You :)

Edit:

I just tried it and wow is that awesome!
Seriously, thanks..
The Number of orders that lets you get multiples of the items is pretty sweet!
Kopaka Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-09-11 19:02:04 UTC
For someone who does spectre fleet staging from trade hubs, this is great. <3 It's almost better than multisell.

Tested it and it works great.
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#4 - 2015-09-11 20:23:35 UTC
Multibuy is the best thing ever, however I have noticed something. If I use the "buy fit" button in my fitting management window or on a linked fitting, all I buy is the modules and charges, but no hull. If i drag the fitting to my market quickbar, and use "right click->buy all" it does include the hull. I can see the need to buy just the fittings for hulls you already own, but I'd like to be able to click a linked fit and buy the whole thing without the extra step of making a quickbar entry. Could we perhaps have a popup asking "hull as well?" or something to that effect?

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.

JP Otsada
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-09-11 20:48:51 UTC
I haven't tried this yet (will when I get home), but can I make a request whilst you are working in this area of the codebase: please can any buys / sells which fail in the multi-buy/sell window automagically spawn a new buy/sell window?

I.e. if I have 10x Damage Control I to sell, and I chose sell immediately, and either the top buy order is only for 2 items, or it actually fails (someone already used up the order before I clicked sell, or margin trading caused it to fail), couldn't it spawn a new multi-sell window with the 8 or 10 units respectively already entered?

I need to test the multi-buy window for to see how it works (so sorry if this is not appropriate, or already implemented), but in the inverse situation (I want to buy 10 units, and only 2 are available at the current best price), it buys those 2 and spawns a new window for the remaining 8 at the next best price)?

This would make selling (or buying) multiple items much faster as you don't need to find the items in your inventory again to re-add them to the multi-buy/sell window.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2015-09-11 21:30:08 UTC
JP Otsada wrote:
I haven't tried this yet (will when I get home), but can I make a request whilst you are working in this area of the codebase: please can any buys / sells which fail in the multi-buy/sell window automagically spawn a new buy/sell window?
[stuff]

I need to test the multi-buy window for to see how it works (so sorry if this is not appropriate, or already implemented), but in the inverse situation (I want to buy 10 units, and only 2 are available at the current best price), it buys those 2 and spawns a new window for the remaining 8 at the next best price).
That's what we did with multibuy (didn't change multisell) Smile

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#7 - 2015-09-11 22:05:57 UTC
Can you add a button in the industry window as well please?
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-09-11 22:14:01 UTC
SpaceSaft wrote:
Can you add a button in the industry window as well please?


this ^, altough producers would prefer automatic creation of buy orders
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2015-09-11 23:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
SpaceSaft wrote:
Can you add a button in the industry window as well please?
Yeah, good point... I remember talking about it at some point but I guess we then forgot... thanks!Smile (or that was actually about the material tab in the show info window, but I'll look into both)

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

Oktura Ostus
THE CORP WITH NO NAME
#10 - 2015-09-11 23:43:07 UTC
Amazing!

Also could you please add button "Buy all" into the window, when I try to fit, but some modules or ammo are missing: http://i.imgur.com/5SYGFBd.png
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2015-09-11 23:52:21 UTC
Oktura Ostus wrote:
Amazing!

Also could you please add button "Buy all" into the window, when I try to fit, but some modules or ammo are missing: http://i.imgur.com/5SYGFBd.png
Good suggestion! I'll look into what we can do (probably not for the initial release though)

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

ham Norris
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2015-09-12 01:37:09 UTC
This is going to be so useful for anyone buying Doctrine ships, But it dose not buy the Ships just the modules. Unless I missed somthing
Riela Tanal
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-09-12 01:40:32 UTC
If you set your market price filter to 0.00 - 100.00 as an example to only show the seeded items on singularity, when you buy the fit it ignores your market filters, while the 100 isk price is only for singularity, some people will want to set their filter to avoid the scam market orders.
Genghis Tron
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-09-12 01:42:53 UTC
Awesome sauce!
Globby
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#15 - 2015-09-12 03:20:11 UTC
Genghis Tron wrote:
Awesome sauce!

unidenify
Deaf Armada
#16 - 2015-09-12 06:47:03 UTC
next step

mass fit several ship at once

Other than this

very good feature, some of my member look forward on this.

Hopeful there will be one for industry job as well.
Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#17 - 2015-09-12 09:20:39 UTC
Because other have posted ideas as well:

Would it be possible to add a button "add all current orders to market quickbar"? It's unbelievable annoying to have 100-200 orders and you have to search for the one which is missing in the short cut list of the quickbar.

Dust
probag Bear
Xiong Offices
#18 - 2015-09-12 14:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: probag Bear
Thank you so much Karkur, you have no idea how much this is going to help with manufacturing!
Currently, buying materials in Jita literally takes longer than installing manufacturing jobs across 24 characters. Even after trying to streamline the process with IGB functions, the lack of a multi-buy features is still one of the most significant time-bottlenecks.
This should cut down my total time investment by ~30% :D. Time to lower personal profit margins again! Cheaper stuff for everyone (by ~0.25mil)!
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-09-12 14:57:20 UTC
i handle jita - deployment logistics for my corp

you have no idea how much you have improved my life.
Karer II
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-09-12 19:12:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Karer II
"Buy fit..." button issues:

  • only items was buyed. Not hull. I think hull must be in list too.
  • as hull is not purchased ship can't be fitted automatically. Autofit after buy will be great thing! Just one button and you have cool new ship ready to undock. If it can be done then pay attention, pls, on name of new ship. Name from "Fitting manager" will be cool feature.


"Buy items" window issues:

  • after pressing of "Buy" button window stay opened. Not sure that it is best behaviour.
  • no any sorts in list. Simple way - alphabetical sort. But will be perfect, imho, make groups in list - high slot, medium, low, charges and etc.
  • window does not care that some of the modules are already in the hangar. Smart behaviour will be very useful in case if I just want to fit new ship.
  • could you replace checkbox "use corp accout" by select with list of all divisions? It will be much more useful. Much less click if wrong division selected.
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