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A Thought, Supers/Titans through KSpace-> Kspace Connections

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Kairi Raast
Blue-Fire
Great Blue Balls of Fire
#1 - 2015-09-10 20:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kairi Raast
Since Aegis of course moving supers has become an almost impossible endeavour for smaller people by conventional means since there are so many chokepoints in lowsec.

What I'm proposing is that the jumplimit on Kspace -> Kspace (LS-> LS, NS->NS, and NS->LS) be increased to accommodate titans and supercapitals to provide a third option for these massive ships.

Before I put it in features and Ideas I was wondering how the wormhole population felt about this idea.

Just for reference the largest Titan I think is a Leviathan at 2,450,000,000 Mass, and the largest super is a Wyvern at 1,650,000,000 Mass.
Adarnof
Super Secret Spaceship Syndicate
#2 - 2015-09-10 20:54:50 UTC
Sorry to hear your supers are inconveniencing you.
smokeAjoint
No Self Esteem
#3 - 2015-09-10 20:59:58 UTC
Wil not happen

** legalize it**

TurboX3
Pulling The Plug
Didn't want that Sov anyway.
#4 - 2015-09-10 21:29:41 UTC
I think this is a great idea - I support this 100%
Alundil
Rolled Out
#5 - 2015-09-10 23:35:57 UTC
Honestly I don't know why you'd think wormhole players would care. If it's kspace to kspace only and it doesn't change the total allowable mass and only affects the per jump maximum mass then it's entirely without impact on wspace (except in small edge cases where a wspace pilot has a super alt in a lowsec or nullsec alliance. But that still doesn't really impact wspace.

I'm right behind you

Winthorp
#6 - 2015-09-11 03:31:53 UTC
No.

Now GTFO.
Jack Miton
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-09-11 05:12:12 UTC
This really isn't a WH question. The k-k space holes can work however they want and it won't affect wspace at all, as such you'd need to ask ns community about it.

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Doku Dakar
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#8 - 2015-09-11 09:16:38 UTC
Aslong as it's a 1 way jump as the single jump mass is so great it force collapses. Then decloak a HIC on the other side and tackle a Titan! Commence batphone procedure
Anthar Thebess
#9 - 2015-09-11 09:42:29 UTC
Doku Dakar wrote:
Aslong as it's a 1 way jump as the single jump mass is so great it force collapses. Then decloak a HIC on the other side and tackle a Titan! Commence batphone procedure

This actually could be very interesting.
Just add a critical mass to collapse WH , where 1 titan or 1 SC can jump, collapsing the WH.
Peonza Chan
Gloryhole Initiative
#10 - 2015-09-11 11:36:13 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
This really isn't a WH question. The k-k space holes can work however they want and it won't affect wspace at all, as such you'd need to ask ns community about it.

^this
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2015-09-11 12:46:56 UTC
Doku Dakar wrote:
Aslong as it's a 1 way jump as the single jump mass is so great it force collapses. Then decloak a HIC on the other side and tackle a Titan! Commence batphone procedure

whoah what a great way to have these holes used!

also lol if you think 1 hic could hold a titan unless there were people ready to jump immediately

The only real good use for these holes would be to ease the bottleneck for supers in the south moving through Aridia and Derelik

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Phoenix Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-09-11 15:12:19 UTC
No for a multitude of reasons, but with an exception regarding movement through critical holes.

Which I won't bring up here.

Supers through wormholes? Nope. Logistics becomes a bit rediculous. Terrain becomes pointless again.

Can't agree with it, especially since player made gates are on some time horizon.

Yaay!!!!

Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2015-09-11 15:44:48 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Supers through wormholes? Nope. Logistics becomes a bit rediculous. Terrain becomes pointless again.

Can't agree with it, especially since player made gates are on some time horizon.

how? if you can only fit the same number as you could caps (3), nothing changes.

And lol if you think that would change logistics.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Ransu Asanari
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#14 - 2015-09-11 16:05:33 UTC
No.

I don't care if you could only move one Super/Titan though a K-Space<>K-Space wormhole. Fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2015-09-11 16:31:10 UTC
Ransu Asanari wrote:
No.

I don't care if you could only move one Super/Titan though a K-Space<>K-Space wormhole. Fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff.

like what?

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Jonn Duune
Biomass Party
Ronins
#16 - 2015-09-11 19:00:10 UTC
I'll say what I said on reddit regarding this idea:

1) A titan cannot be allowed through a kspace <-> kspace WH.

2) A super should be about 55% of the MAX possible mass of a WH (so 2 supers will guaranteed close it).

  • With this, i would increase the mass of the supers upto about 1.6-1.7b, and make sure the titans are at least 2b (though given their size difference, they should realistically be closer to 10b in my mind, but that's irrelevant)
  • The WH should have enough mass to allow a subcap supported super to go through it, but nothing too much more than that in my opinion
  • any other WH connection should not be changed to allow supers through.


3) Total jumpable mass on the WH should not increase.


I like the idea, but it has no baring on me, as I am a full time WHer.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

Alundil
Rolled Out
#17 - 2015-09-11 19:30:01 UTC
"...fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff."

I disagree. So long as proper constraints were placed around those changes it's likely that nothing else gets broken (unless it's also tied to POS code). There's no compelling benefit to be gained from allowing supers to move through k<->k connections other than the logistics of moving that very limited number of ships (given the maximum total mass on any wormhole is, iirc, 5b tons no more than a total 2-3 supers would be able to get through before it collapsed anyway).

That said, I still don't think it involves wspace in the slightest.

I'm right behind you

Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2015-09-11 20:03:28 UTC
Jonn Duune wrote:
I'll say what I said on reddit regarding this idea:

1) A titan cannot be allowed through a kspace <-> kspace WH.


why not?

there're a lot of dumb ideas in this thread thrown out without any explanation.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Gary Bell
Herp Inc.dot
Darwinism.
#19 - 2015-09-12 11:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gary Bell
I honestly think this is a good idea.. It would give supers that are left behind when there corp/ alliance moves another option to get closer to where they need to be. The logistics envolved in finding a kspace to kspace that would help someone get around any faster is very minimal chances anyway. You could scan 25 systems for a month and still not find a WH of any use.

I also kinda like the idea of jumping a titan threw with a small subcap fleet to allow bridge support to follow. It is very easy now a days to find a WH to a fight though so those metrics would need to be looked at sense it is already pretty easy, giving someone the ability to bring a titan bridge as well could be a little broken.

But all and all I think this is the smartest idea to come outta these forums in a while lol.

Moving the supers back would require alot of effort if you decided to commit to bringing a titan threw for the bridge so it could lead to less deaths of supers by having a slightly safer way to navigate bottlenecks and it could inturn lead to more deaths and small super groups if not single supers being moved for support could be caught a long way from support.

IDK throw it to the people who make decisions see what they say :p
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2015-09-12 12:53:22 UTC
Bringing a Titan with means you'd get into the fight moderately faster, but it'd take AGES to get home.

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