EVE General Discussion

Are you suggesting that this forms part of the reason why WoW has whelped 8 million subs? Because game balance and design is made in spite of their playerbase?

I dont care.

As long as there is never again an incident of CCP staff favoring some players unequally, or punishing some players unequally.

I dont have any particular sympathy for any CCP staff when they are poopooed on non-official sites.
Its comes with the job and is in the nature of the internet.

I dont sympathise with players who poopoo them either.
Just cos they can say whatever they like, doesnt mean I have to like it or agree with it, or like or respect them as people.
And I dont.

I would advise CCP to draw a tighter line regarding staff fraternizing with players.
The more buddybuddy you get, the more potential for problems arise.

Players are not your friends. They want something from you.
The EVE metagame of influencing and turning staff is a very real and prevalent thing.

You make it sound like Brack Region evaccing to low-sec was their choice.

They're in the process of imploding.

#didntwantfountainanyway

There is nothing wrong with EvE.

There is nothing wrong with CCP

There is nothing wrong with FOZZIE SOV

There is nothing wrong with the CSM

There is nothing wrong with me because I like to play EvE as it is, and when we have a new patch changes the game I go with the changes.

Why argue people just let CCP do their job which they are great at it.

We all should have a positive mindset and enjoy EvE the way it is meant to be played and stop winging and whining and just play the game as is.

Fozzie SOV is a poor, shallow and dumbed down design at the core:

• Waving a mining laser at structures is not satisfying.
• You are unable to gear your ship to wave the wand faster for attack or defense
• There is no real fleet impact, no real cost to benefit considerations.
• Camping a gate while interceptors mess about is boring.
• Those 100 people grinding a structure might have been bored but they provided an opportunity for combat.
• Fozzie SOV is a griefer's paradise. "Who has the will to troll for SOV the longest?" (If they want the SOV and aren't just doing it for "lulz").

This sort of thing was apparent from the first dev blog and has not changed.

One issue with the entosis mechanic is that it looks good only by contrast to the old system.

The old system was bad, the current is less bad... but that doesn't makes it good. Press button, dismantle structure is silly. No matter how difficult you make it, it still is a version of capturing the flag. That's a nice mechanic for fast-paced PvP where nothing is lost permanently, yet it becomes quite a weird thing when losses are permanent and a "match" may take a couple of hours.

I don't know how to make it better. The old Sov system used HPs as timers: it takes n time to grind HP so the defender can defend and a fight occurs). That interacted poorly with max-DPS ships (supercapitals) and permanent healing spells (logistics).

Now HP are off the table and what matters is "being there" to press a button when somebody else presses a button, in the best style of the most useless machine.

Picture Sid Meyer saying "games must be fun to play, easy to learn and hard to master".

Pressing a swtich on until someone switches it off is fun? Waiting for 50 minutes until the switch is pressed is fun? Betting your assets to the certainty of pressing a switch off whenever is switched on is fun?

It is poor game design. It is better than deplete a HP wall for hours, but nonetheless it's a unfun mechanic in itself. And the system built on it is appalingly unattractive.

Ideally the "press a button" should be an excuse to pew pew each other, but that isn't happening.

I don't know how to fix this mess. My opinion is that all PvP content dies eventually and nullsec is dead and can't be ressurrected. As I said some months ago, sports where the person competes against himself are way more popular than sports where a person competes against others. There's only one winner in speed races, but everyone is a winner in a marathon. So games based on determining a sole winner fade sooner or later.

EVE nullsec is a game where everybody tries and the Goons always win. Congratulations, the winner of EVE has been determined. But now nobody can un-win nullsec and as long as the Goons want it, nullsec will be theirs for whatever they do with it.

As a consequence, Nullsec is dead. It's been dead for a while, and it can't be ressurrected. Maybe it could be transformed into something else. But the age of empire building in null is gone.

And what's left of EVE if you aren't building a empire in null?

I think there's a lot of truth to what you are saying.

The folks whining about "trollceptors" are the same ones who don't think they should actually have to play the game or be present to exert control when it comes to sov. Hence the whining.

Our happy little mob managed to take sov for a little while as a side-project. Mostly, we wanted to see how it would work. How? Nobody showed up to stop us. Then we managed to hold it for a while. How? Nobody showed up to stop us. When somebody finally got serious about it, they took it off us.

Not perfect by any stretch but frankly, based on everything I read in the dev blogs, it looks like that's the way it is designed to work. Creating incentives for the big fights will hinge on there being something worth fighting for. Perhaps we ought to be looking with interest to what is still to come.

Perhaps all the complaints are basically "Boo CCP I can't play the way I want to" and the complainers simply can't or won't make the effort to adapt.

Is there a summary for those of us who don't want to provide that website with traffic?

As opposed to what?

Setup sov, rat, rat, rat, rat, rat, rat, rat, dockup because lone intruder, rat, rat, rat...sounds fun.

Sov before was boring ....players had the chance to change this but most stayed blue and chose safety and ISk over content , I respect ccp for actually doing something drastic and attempting to shake things up ,hopefully it works and I am willing to at least give them some time to implement it like they want .

The best thing is listening to the tears of alliance leaders with billions and billions in assets and fleets at their disposal complain that Eve is too hard now .