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Tags for negative Faction Standings

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Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#1 - 2015-09-10 02:08:56 UTC
Same principle as tags for security standings.

Exchange tags and fix your negative faction standings from -10.0 to 0.0.

Have gotten positive feedback from other players and ccp at fanfest for the last 3 years, but no updates.

Fixing this: http://i.imgur.com/6wg7Vdz.png is a bit difficult <.>
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#2 - 2015-09-10 02:39:55 UTC
Consequences.

Stop shooting people in NPC corps.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-09-10 02:45:16 UTC
What are NPC standings good for any more? Missions, you clearly don't care about those, I'm lost as to why you need this any more.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#4 - 2015-09-10 03:07:17 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
What are NPC standings good for any more? Missions, you clearly don't care about those, I'm lost as to why you need this any more.


Highsec access when security status is fixed.
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#5 - 2015-09-10 03:08:11 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
Consequences.

Stop shooting people in NPC corps.


Do you mean stop doing pve? Because those standings are from shooting npc's.
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2015-09-10 05:16:20 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
Consequences.

Stop shooting people in NPC corps.


Do you mean stop doing pve? Because those standings are from shooting npc's.

All four empires and all four major pirate groups hate you. Who the hell are you doing missions for that causes everyone to hate you?
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#7 - 2015-09-10 05:18:22 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Capitol One wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
Consequences.

Stop shooting people in NPC corps.


Do you mean stop doing pve? Because those standings are from shooting npc's.

All four empires and all four major pirate groups hate you. Who the hell are you doing missions for that causes everyone to hate you?


I may have dabbled in FW missions for all four empires at various points in my eve career. Really ****** me in the long term haha :D
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2015-09-10 05:49:38 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
Consequences.

Stop shooting people in NPC corps.


Do you mean stop doing pve? Because those standings are from shooting npc's.

Why stop? You just need to balance your PVE more. You need to think more before you act. It is absolutely possible to keep a better than -5 standing with all 4 Empires without too much effort. What you did, however, was thoughtlessly engage in all sorts of actions against one or another of the 4 Empires and this is your punishment for it.

Now, you can find a Low sec station with at least one L1 security agent and storyline agent in the same station or system and start atone for your sins. It doesn't take that long to fix your mistakes. And don't forget, don't do it just for one group. You need to travel around every now and then to to the opposing group and run missions for them to compensate for the others. You better work for what mistakes you committed in the past.

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Anthar Thebess
#9 - 2015-09-10 07:21:43 UTC
I support this , ile all previous topics on this.
You need to just give enough enemy faction tags , and thats it.

"You killed our men , but you just proved yourself by killing , or paying someone to kill 150.000 of enemy crew members"
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-09-10 08:09:17 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
What are NPC standings good for any more? Missions, you clearly don't care about those, I'm lost as to why you need this any more.

Locator agents .

+1 from me as long as it only gets you out of the whole and is prohibitively expensive.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#11 - 2015-09-10 13:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
-1

Not because I think the general idea is bad, because your idea would stop at 0 standing.
ALL current tags for anything can be used by anyone to improve standing no matter what their current level is and to get my support any new tags for standing mechanic must be available to ALL players as well.

Why should you be able to go from a -10 to 0 using tags because it is easier, and I have to go from 0 to +10 the old fashioned hard grind way?
Black Pedro
Mine.
#12 - 2015-09-10 14:38:25 UTC
+1

There should be a way to pay others to do the work to grind your standings back. Clone tags works fine for this for security status, and something equivalent should exist for faction standing.

Just to point out your CSM representatives DJ Funkybacon and Sugar Kyle did bring this up last year to CCP and they seemed quite receptive to the idea. I am guessing it is a low priority feature so who knows when (or if) we'll see it, but interest has been noted and is probably waiting in a queue somewhere to be implemented.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-09-10 14:50:55 UTC
At first I thought this was a suggestion to turn in tags to immediately get negative faction standings. I laughed heartily at the idea and loved it. Then I saw it was to fix negative standings. That is so mundane.

No, I want it to be insane. I want faction tags to turn in that make the faction hate me. I turn in these tags, and all of the sudden, the customs officers are giving me the stink eye, and faction patrols are always outside my station undock waiting to "stop and frisk" me. I want tags that cause NPC's to up my market order taxes at random, and for Concord itself to occasionally put bounty on me. I want faction police to "accidentally" bump me around on the undock and laugh at me in local. And sometimes, I want to be flying between gates only to be suddenly pulled into an NPC warp disruption bubble, where the FacPo immediately descend upon my ship, put a tire boot (warp engine boot?) on it, and force me to eject into my capsule and go to the nearest NPC station to pay some sudden influx of parking tickets I never knew I had.
The Primary Target
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-09-10 17:33:54 UTC
I think there should be tags to get up above -5 or even up to -2, but no more than that.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2015-09-10 17:57:28 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
-1

Not because I think the general idea is bad, because your idea would stop at 0 standing.
ALL current tags for anything can be used by anyone to improve standing no matter what their current level is and to get my support any new tags for standing mechanic must be available to ALL players as well.

Why should you be able to go from a -10 to 0 using tags because it is easier, and I have to go from 0 to +10 the old fashioned hard grind way?

Because tags for security status work this way,
they're only getting you out of the whole, not elevating you further.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#16 - 2015-09-10 18:12:12 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
Consequences.

Stop shooting people in NPC corps.

That only damages your standings to that particular NPC corp, not the faction said corp is in. I noticed this when I tried to help my research alt grind standings with Viziam. Ugh

As for the OP's idea, I'm not opposed in principle, but any "tags for standings" system would have to be similar to existing clone tags for sec status in that they:

1. Only raise your standings to 0. (Or whatever the limit of the Diplomacy skill is.)
2. Can only be found in losec.
3. The closer you are to max achievable standings, the more rare/expensive the tag would have to be.


So...who would drop them? Empire appropriate pirate NPCs, or opposing empire NPCs? (i.e. shoot Amarr NPCs for tags that repair Minmatar standings)

Some more thought needs to be put into this...but it could work.


Just keep in mind that you can always do missions for level 1 agents of a given faction regardless of your standings with them.

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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#17 - 2015-09-10 19:57:27 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
You just need to balance your PVE more.


The mechanic is a dinosaur and you know that very well. EvE is supposed to be about player driven relationships, not a dating sim between you and a few mutually exclusive factions. PvE isn't really a choice - if you are going to make it your bread and butter income, you have to do what's available locally, or have alts, and in the former case this may mean doing things less than optimally. This is tedium that needs to be removed.

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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#18 - 2015-09-11 02:27:57 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
Consequences.

Stop shooting people in NPC corps.

That only damages your standings to that particular NPC corp, not the faction said corp is in. I noticed this when I tried to help my research alt grind standings with Viziam. Ugh

Interesting. I was not aware of that. I shall have to look closer at my standings now.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#19 - 2015-09-11 07:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
You just need to balance your PVE more.


The mechanic is a dinosaur and you know that very well. EvE is supposed to be about player driven relationships, not a dating sim between you and a few mutually exclusive factions. PvE isn't really a choice - if you are going to make it your bread and butter income, you have to do what's available locally, or have alts, and in the former case this may mean doing things less than optimally. This is tedium that needs to be removed.

If it is then why do you care about NPC standings? Roll I have no real problems on Rivr with neither of the Empire factions. Whenever my Minmatar standing falls below -5, I run a couple of L1 missions for Gallente, do the story line and I am back in the greens. And on my Pirate faction mission runner, I do not need certain empire faction standings to begin with. I do not see any tedium.

I also do not see why this "tedium" should go away. You run missions and gather standings for one faction and their ally. This faction, however, is at war (or at least a war-like state) with another faction and their ally. It is only natural that you lose standings with the latter while you gain standings with the former. This is completely logical. Removing that removes the entire point of the war between the factions.
If you cannot consider that and act accordingly if you want to keep accessible standings with all four empires, I must question your mental fortitude. And by extension your lack of competence should not be the base line from which mechanics should be adjusted.

Then again, you are in CFC. Coincidentally, everything seems to be a "tedium" for people who join CFC. So, your argument is as valid as your other alliance mate's about making a secluded newbie system, cut of from the rest of the universe in the Sol system. Roll

Having said this, however, I could agree on certain missions in Low sec or NPC Null sec from a more "independent NPC faction" giving you a bigger standing boost than normal storylines towards one of the factions. This eases the repair of standings a bit, but still requires you to work to rectify your past mistakes and blatant inconsideration. Tags, however, are a thing that I will never agree with. But as CCP is so heavily invested to get more of these loathsome easy-mode gamers into the game, my concerns are probably being ignored anyways. Roll

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