Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your suggestion is flawed because your basic premise behind it is flawed.


Nowhere in there does it mention the VNI, nor even Gallente ships. When you're refering to "pirate invaders in Caldari territories," that means the minions of Fatal and Rabbit, aka Guristas. Coincidentally, the CNI runs mid range Guristas sites really well.

Ye gods, I'm agreeing with Joe again!!!!

Help!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, I have. There are far, far better options for PvP than a CNI. You should try flying one of those.

That's precisely the point of this post, its enemic , because it's terrible range being the only boat of its kind without a projection bonus, the solution isn't to fly a better boat you fool, it's to rebalance worse boats so they can operate better, that's the point of a rebalance and tieracide . Remember this is a faction cruiser, it's meant to be very good like the VNI

I called him a fool because he was effectively stating we should all fly the meta witch has proven to be a bad idea for the game, hence the name, I don't mean it in insulting more he doesn't realise the negative consequences of it. Anyway that application bonus means the cni is better for hams and heavies but can be beaten by a regulerly caracal fitted simalery as it can kite better, cni is a kite boat itself

Why does it have to kite? Put XL asb on it and rlml and brawl away.

I think it's fine. No, it does not come with the Caldari signature 10-50% missile velocity buff, but it makes up for it with two good buffs: a universal ROF buff and a medium missile ER buff.

The only thing I personally dislike about it is that it has 6 highs for 6 launchers, where as most of the other navy cruisers have only 5 or fewer hardpoints, means the Caracal Navy is left with only 9 mids-lows versus the others getting often 10 mids and lows. Maybe trade a high/hardpoint for a mid and up the ROF buff to compensate, but that's just me.

Which failed.

Since we don't seem to get any kind of support here, let me put up the values that will help all missiles to be viable choices once again - been a while.
Explosion radius 5m, explosion velocity = c or ~ 300.000m/s. There you go missiles fixed.

Out of curiousity, which distance is kiting supposed to be at?

Then There's the Caracal, which has 4,237 kills so far this month.

This isn't specifically because of the range bonus, but instead, it's about the rapid lights themselves and the lack of added utility to the CNI.
There's not enough variation between the Caracal and CNI, so why pay that much more isk for what is effectively a slightly better ship, using a launcher system that isn't effected by its bonuses?
If you removed the range bonus to rapid launchers from the Caracal, it would still be more preferred than the CNI cause it's quite a bit cheaper. the added damage isn't worth the costs, and there's no added utility.

CNI isn't a versatile ship, but instead is a stepping stone. Caracal, CNI, Cerberus.

As an example, the Cerberus kills throughout the year are about half that of the Caracal, despite the Cerberus having significantly more range, which just goes to show that the range is not the issue.

Edit... As to why the Cerb is more popular than the CNI.
- Almost 75 dps more than CNI without mods.
- Higher fitting capability
- Bonus to MWD signature radius.
- T2 resists
- 12 m/s faster
- slightly faster warp speed
- better sensor strength

Basically, it's just an all around better ship.
The overall point here is, range is not the CNI's problem, but it's more like everything else that's the problem.

Yes, but you're also speaking about weapon systems with instant damage application, and ships with applicable bonuses to said systems.

In the case of the CNI, it has more than enough range with Rapid lights to consider it effective to use, seeing as how missiles aren't typically used outside the range in which the CNI is effective with rapids, due specifically to engagement delay.

However, it then has an application bonus, which does not apply to said rapid lights.
So, choose a cheaper ship with an applicable bonus, or a more expensive ship with a non-applicable bonus?

There's also the case that rapid lights don't need an application bonus, so it wouldn't matter if the CNI application bonus did apply to lights.

Then, you have the case of heavies and hams having poor application, to the point where they're ineffective against their intended targets, being cruisers.
You have the application bonus on the CNI which makes this more viable, but not viable enough to overpower the use of rapid lights.

So, make heavy and ham missiles more effective at engaging cruisers via application buffs.
they then become more viable on Caracals and Cerbs, while giving a CNI significantly better application with heavy systems.

Now, similar to battleships, Cruisers should not be given range or application bonuses to rapid lights.
So, they'd all have the same range with rapids. Caracal would be a middle ground damage and range boats.
CNI would become a brawler with HAM application bonus with potential to HML kite, while the Cerb would become the ranged boat with High damage.
You would then have rapid lights as a niche option, which is their intended role, and wasn't meant to be their primary weapon system.

You don't need range bonus to lights on the CNI, you need to nerf range bonus to rapid lights on every other cruiser, and then rebalance heavy systems to actually be viable for a change.