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The end of Hybrid buff

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Goose99
#341 - 2012-01-03 18:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Onictus wrote:
Depends on what you are doing with it.

Its NOT a fleet hull, it can't be with that slot layout on reliance on blasters. Its a MEAN somebitch when you put it in a small gang environment. Something that the Baddon and Mael suck at.


It's a big fat slowboat BS without 90% webs trying to hit small stuff with large guns. What role does it have in "small gang" other than station games? BS as a class is lol in small gang those days. It's crap compared to a real small gang boat in anything.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2012-01-03 18:59:48 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Depends on what you are doing with it.

Its NOT a fleet hull, it can't be with that slot layout on reliance on blasters. Its a MEAN somebitch when you put it in a small gang environment. Something that the Baddon and Mael suck at.


It's a big fat slowboat BS without 90% webs trying to hit small stuff with large guns. What role does it have in "small gang" other than station games? BS as a class is lol in small gang those days. It's crap compared to a real small gang boat in anything.



Its got 5 mids with a shield tank and a scram its as fast as a brutix, if you can't figure that out I can't help you.
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#343 - 2012-01-03 21:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ElCholo
Confirming that Gallente ships are terrible.

Edit: Eve is breaking my link.

http://www.rancyin.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12044744

Wtf is with these forums, you have to copy and paste or it won't work. Eve Forums FTL.
Alara IonStorm
#344 - 2012-01-03 21:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
ElCholo wrote:
Confirming that Gallente ships are terrible.

Edit: Eve is breaking my link.

http://www.rancyin.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12044744

Wtf is with these forums, you have to copy and paste or it won't work. Eve Forums FTL.

Confirming that a ****** fleet filled with fail fits with no context or circumstances provided going up against T2, Faction and Pirate Faction Ships are a good measure of what what a race can do.

I don't know perhaps that purger rigged Hurricane, T1 fit beam Harb, and T1 gunned Thrasher are all part of a Super Secret PvP setup. I am interested to know how they planned to use that survey scanner.

I mean perhaps I am further mistaken when I noticed that the defeated side is from a virtually unknown Alliance with less kills combined then I have (Which isn't much Sad) and more then twice as many losses as they have kills. Maybe a fact made worse when the other fleet was made up of Veto Corp, Rooks and Kings, Pandemic Legion, oh and you were there. o/

So ElCholo well you were kicking this unknown Alliances Fail Fleet with a combo of pretty prominent PvP Groups in rather expensive ships is that when you realized that these good folks truly represent the best PvP opposition to your fleet? They must have put on one impressive performance I dare say. As Survey Scanning Harbingers are well known to do.

Edit/ Know what, I know I suck at PvP but I am just gonna take a moment and pat myself on the back for being single handedly better then this entire Alliance that your link shows you smacked up. Thanks EnCholo that was a much needed ego boost. Big smile
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#345 - 2012-01-03 22:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ElCholo
Alara IonStorm wrote:
ElCholo wrote:
Confirming that Gallente ships are terrible.

Edit: Eve is breaking my link.

http://www.rancyin.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12044744

Wtf is with these forums, you have to copy and paste or it won't work. Eve Forums FTL.

Confirming that a ****** fleet filled with fail fits with no context or circumstances provided going up against T2, Faction and Pirate Faction Ships are a good measure of what what a race can do.

I don't know perhaps that purger rigged Hurricane, T1 fit beam Harb, and T1 gunned Thrasher are all part of a Super Secret PvP setup. I am interested to know how they planned to use that survey scanner.

I mean perhaps I am further mistaken when I noticed that the defeated side is from a virtually unknown Alliance with less kills combined then I have (Which isn't much Sad) and more then twice as many losses as they have kills. Maybe a fact made worse when the other fleet was made up of Veto Corp, Rooks and Kings, Pandemic Legion, oh and you were there. o/

So ElCholo well you were kicking this unknown Alliances Fail Fleet with a combo of pretty prominent PvP Groups in rather expensive ships is that when you realized that these good folks truly represent the best PvP opposition to your fleet? They must have put on one impressive performance I dare say. As Survey Scanning Harbingers are well known to do.

Edit/ Know what, I know I suck at PvP but I am just gonna take a moment and pat myself on the back for being single handedly better then this entire Shadow of Honor Alliance. Thanks EnCholo that was a much needed ego boost. Big smile


You don't see that they had twice that number and carrier support... because we didn't lose anything. Troll on fail troll. :)

And you pointed out another good thing. You are right, we are a skilled group. Going against folks like the EFT trolls in this forum who say that Gallente aren't good. We are proving that competent pilots in Gallente ships are capable of taking on the crap drake and minmatar blobs out there.
Alara IonStorm
#346 - 2012-01-03 22:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
ElCholo wrote:

You don't see that they had twice that number and carrier support... because we didn't lose anything. Troll on fail troll. :)

Where did I troll. All I have is your word that they had that and for all I know you could have had more Logi's. Your Confirming, confirms nothing. The Irony.

ElCholo wrote:

And you pointed out another good thing. You are right, we are a skilled group. Going against folks like the EFT trolls in this forum who say that Gallente aren't good. We are proving that competent pilots in Gallente ships are capable of taking on the crap drake and minmatar blobs out there.

Anyone is capable of taking out crap fit fleets flown by pilots who don't know what they are doing but Ok. Roll

I guess you proved me wrong taking out those elite PvP'ers with your humble fleet. Balance should always be decided in a contest between the best PvP'ers and the worst.

I do have one question though. Why post the destruction of a fail fleet as confirmation of anything instead of a properly organized and fit gang flown by a good Alliance?
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#347 - 2012-01-03 22:09:53 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
ElCholo wrote:

You don't see that they had twice that number and carrier support... because we didn't lose anything. Troll on fail troll. :)

Where did I troll. All I have is your word that they had that and for all I know you could have had more Logi's. Your Confirming, confirms nothing. The Irony.

ElCholo wrote:

And you pointed out another good thing. You are right, we are a skilled group. Going against folks like the EFT trolls in this forum who say that Gallente aren't good. We are proving that competent pilots in Gallente ships are capable of taking on the crap drake and minmatar blobs out there.

Anyone is capable of taking out crap fit fleets flown by pilots who don't know what they are doing but Ok. Roll

I guess you proved me wrong taking out those elite PvP'ers with your humble fleet. Balance should always be decided in a contest between the best PvP'ers and the worst.


That's the funny part. I'm far from the best. I'm about average. I just PvP more than I complain on the forums. I'm trying to show people on the forums that if they would pvp more and complain less, that they could get good fights too. And they would also see that all ships are good, you just have to come up with a good fleet for them, instead of expecting them to all do the same thing in the same way.
Alara IonStorm
#348 - 2012-01-03 22:11:41 UTC
ElCholo wrote:

That's the funny part. I'm far from the best. I'm about average. I just PvP more than I complain on the forums. I'm trying to show people on the forums that if they would pvp more and complain less, that they could get good fights too. And they would also see that all ships are good, you just have to come up with a good fleet for them, instead of expecting them to all do the same thing in the same way.

I can agree with that most definitely.
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#349 - 2012-01-03 22:20:57 UTC
ElCholo wrote:

That's the funny part. I'm far from the best. I'm about average. I just PvP more than I complain on the forums. I'm trying to show people on the forums that if they would pvp more and complain less, that they could get good fights too. And they would also see that all ships are good, you just have to come up with a good fleet for them, instead of expecting them to all do the same thing in the same way.


And that's where you begin to miss the point. These ships are already agreed as being good at station/gate camping and if they can be dropped at zero in a relatively small engagement. But that's less than 5% of eve. For 25% of the player base who are Gallente, and for however many of the Caldari pilots that have discovered they have turret ships too. Why should the weapon systems of choice for such a significant part of the players be sidelined?
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#350 - 2012-01-03 22:25:21 UTC
Nikuno wrote:
ElCholo wrote:

That's the funny part. I'm far from the best. I'm about average. I just PvP more than I complain on the forums. I'm trying to show people on the forums that if they would pvp more and complain less, that they could get good fights too. And they would also see that all ships are good, you just have to come up with a good fleet for them, instead of expecting them to all do the same thing in the same way.


And that's where you begin to miss the point. These ships are already agreed as being good at station/gate camping and if they can be dropped at zero in a relatively small engagement. But that's less than 5% of eve. For 25% of the player base who are Gallente, and for however many of the Caldari pilots that have discovered they have turret ships too. Why should the weapon systems of choice for such a significant part of the players be sidelined?


You really don't have a clue, do you. :( The point is that we are roaming, not station/gate camping. Roaming is what a large portion of Eve does. It really saddens me that people just don't get the big picture.
Goose99
#351 - 2012-01-03 23:15:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Onictus wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Depends on what you are doing with it.

Its NOT a fleet hull, it can't be with that slot layout on reliance on blasters. Its a MEAN somebitch when you put it in a small gang environment. Something that the Baddon and Mael suck at.


It's a big fat slowboat BS without 90% webs trying to hit small stuff with large guns. What role does it have in "small gang" other than station games? BS as a class is lol in small gang those days. It's crap compared to a real small gang boat in anything.



Its got 5 mids with a shield tank and a scram its as fast as a brutix, if you can't figure that out I can't help you.


I hate to use profanity, but you, sir, are a moron.Lol

With 115 m/s base speed and 900 m/s mwd, before plates and trimark, plus major agility problems, Hyperion is nowhere close to the speed of HACs and BCs in a small gang.

There is one BS that can keep up with the BC/HACs in a small gang, it's called a nano phon, look it up.Roll

And lulz @ Brutix.
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#352 - 2012-01-03 23:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ElCholo
http://www.rancyin.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12045666

Another good one where we were outnumbered. Both sides were taking sentry fire due to terrible planning on targets called. However, Gallente isn't terrible. Blasters aren't terrible. :) It's players that are terrible.

Edit: Of course you can't see we were out numbered since we haven't lost anything. *shrug* I'm pretty sure nobody wants to die just to get both sides of the story.
Goose99
#353 - 2012-01-03 23:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
ElCholo wrote:
http://www.rancyin.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12045666

Another good one where we were outnumbered. Both sides were taking sentry fire due to terrible planning on targets called. However, Gallente isn't terrible. Blasters aren't terrible. :) It's players that are terrible.

Edit: Of course you can't see we were out numbered since we haven't lost anything. *shrug* I'm pretty sure nobody wants to die just to get both sides of the story.


Sentries killed a bunch of tier 3 paper BCs whose large guns can't track small boats. Oh and they caught and ganked a nano fit gang booster Claymore. Yays.Cool

Hey, at least it's better than your last example of shining Gallante OPness, of t1 beam fit Harby with a roid scanner.Lol

Keep them coming.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#354 - 2012-01-03 23:48:41 UTC
ElCholo wrote:
Nikuno wrote:
ElCholo wrote:

That's the funny part. I'm far from the best. I'm about average. I just PvP more than I complain on the forums. I'm trying to show people on the forums that if they would pvp more and complain less, that they could get good fights too. And they would also see that all ships are good, you just have to come up with a good fleet for them, instead of expecting them to all do the same thing in the same way.


And that's where you begin to miss the point. These ships are already agreed as being good at station/gate camping and if they can be dropped at zero in a relatively small engagement. But that's less than 5% of eve. For 25% of the player base who are Gallente, and for however many of the Caldari pilots that have discovered they have turret ships too. Why should the weapon systems of choice for such a significant part of the players be sidelined?


You really don't have a clue, do you. :( The point is that we are roaming, not station/gate camping. Roaming is what a large portion of Eve does. It really saddens me that people just don't get the big picture.

And against clueless people who earned their kills by camping and hunting solo missionrunners with a gang and thinking pvp is klick, target, klick, orbit, F1 F2 F3 in less than well thought through fitted ships
(let me guess, you had nasty buggers like ecm-drones that they had no clue how to deal with, they didn´t even try to take out your rr-support first and instead of keeping the range open they went in to scram you (because they likely thought bc against cruiser? easy kills) despite having mwd themselves that would also get shut down)
this is well and all, but since many people are now and then up against people that know what they are doing, most prefer hardware that isn´t coming with a handicap built in.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.

ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#355 - 2012-01-03 23:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ElCholo
Sebastian N Cain wrote:


You really don't have a clue, do you. :( The point is that we are roaming, not station/gate camping. Roaming is what a large portion of Eve does. It really saddens me that people just don't get the big picture.

And against clueless people who earned their kills by camping and hunting solo missionrunners with a gang and thinking pvp is klick, target, klick, orbit, F1 F2 F3 in less than well thought through fitted ships
(let me guess, you had nasty buggers like ecm-drones that they had no clue how to deal with, they didn´t even try to take out your rr-support first and instead of keeping the range open they went in to scram you (because they likely thought bc against cruiser? easy kills) despite having mwd themselves that would also get shut down)
this is well and all, but since many people are now and then up against people that know what they are doing, most prefer hardware that isn´t coming with a handicap built in.[/quote]

Confirming that what you said is true about the majority of people who fly Minmatar and who complain that Gallente is under powered. What we are doing is proving that Gallente can best other fleets by flying competent and cohesive setups. If you don't like that this can happen then you are on of the former pilots and are unable to compete with them by creating your own competent and cohesive fleet setup and fighting the larger group of pilots with your wits.

First you complain that Gallente are under powered and then when shown otherwise you complain that the people flying the Gallente are only picking on unskilled players. Yet, what you can't seem to grasp is that most of the people who spam fly Minmatar ARE in skilled players who only fly what everyone tells them is the fotm.

Edit: What I linked are the two fights that we found today while roaming 0.0 and lowsec. We had reds in our group and they had reds in their group for the second fight. Both sides were taking sentry fire and both sides had two log. We used superior piloting to get in close to the few Tornado that we killed. They had the home field advantage and they warped in on us. We will continue to roam through 0.0 in this setup and fight anyone who will engage. If you fail to be able to do this in your OP Minmatar fleets while we are doing this in our under powered Gallente fleet then that either proves that Gallente are not UP, Minmitar are not OP, or you are truly that terrible. :) I, personally, think it's a little bit of all of that since you are still unwilling to post with your main.
Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#356 - 2012-01-04 00:06:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jask Avan
ElCholo wrote:
What we are doing is proving that Gallente can best other fleets by flying competent and cohesive setups.

Anything competent and cohesive will best those fleet you were fighting.
You sound an awful lot like the guy who was arguing Armor-EWar-HAM Drake was viable based on the reasoning that somewhere, sometime, somehow... it might not die horribly. What?
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#357 - 2012-01-04 00:13:55 UTC
Jask Avan wrote:
ElCholo wrote:
What we are doing is proving that Gallente can best other fleets by flying competent and cohesive setups.

Anything competent and cohesive will best those fleet you were fighting.
You sound an awful lot like the guy who was arguing Armor-EWar-HAM Drake was viable based on the reasoning that somewhere, sometime, somehow... it might not die horribly. What?



Another faceless alt. I sound like them except that we are fighting every fleet we come up against. Your argument is in error since most of the fleets you come up against will be like these that we have fought, not armor-ewar-ham drakes.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#358 - 2012-01-04 00:24:49 UTC
Nikuno wrote:
ElCholo wrote:

That's the funny part. I'm far from the best. I'm about average. I just PvP more than I complain on the forums. I'm trying to show people on the forums that if they would pvp more and complain less, that they could get good fights too. And they would also see that all ships are good, you just have to come up with a good fleet for them, instead of expecting them to all do the same thing in the same way.


And that's where you begin to miss the point. These ships are already agreed as being good at station/gate camping and if they can be dropped at zero in a relatively small engagement. But that's less than 5% of eve. For 25% of the player base who are Gallente, and for however many of the Caldari pilots that have discovered they have turret ships too. Why should the weapon systems of choice for such a significant part of the players be sidelined?



Sidelined? Maybe you station camp and do little more with Blasters but roams are where I love to take mine... IMO people are just used to how broken Auto cannons are that they forgot how to actually fly a damn ship... Oh no! you mean I actually have to FLY this thing instead of hitting the orbit button and drooling on my keyboard!?

THIS GAME IS TOO HARD!!!!!
Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#359 - 2012-01-04 01:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kingwood
Nikuno wrote:

And that's where you begin to miss the point. These ships are already agreed as being good at station/gate camping and if they can be dropped at zero in a relatively small engagement. But that's less than 5% of eve. For 25% of the player base who are Gallente, and for however many of the Caldari pilots that have discovered they have turret ships too. Why should the weapon systems of choice for such a significant part of the players be sidelined?


What the hell. Blasters benefit as much (if not more) from tracking enhancers as Projectiles. They're not sidelined, buff them even more and they're going to be the next FOTM. The only issue is with armor vs. shield tanking - shield tanked Gallente ships are really really good, while armor tanked ones fall flat because of lol-brawl range (Edit: and that goes for projectiles too)

Except for the Hype because it's a damn fun boat.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#360 - 2012-01-04 02:21:33 UTC
Confirming the gang ElChocolo et al. are running with is pretty good. These days, you can stuff a 1600 AND neutrons on a Deimos and it cooks at 1500m/s at least. Its every Deimos pilot's dream come true.

You have uber webs on the Ashimmu, with neuting. So you've got tackle and cap warfare sorted. A couple of logis for tanking because, luls, they will primary the Deimos so their pants don't fill up first and jam their F1 keys - i mean, tanking 2 Deimos's isn't easy. Stabber fleet for bait/tackle and sig tanking.

That's a pretty nice gang. You're all jelly, forum alts, because you haven't figured out how to run decent gangs.