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Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-09-05 23:39:11 UTC
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.

Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.


And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras.

But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force.


.... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all?

snicker...



Nope, I was hopeing for something russian style.


Check out the name :)


And ? I m Estevan and I aint Spanish.

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Cpt Armarlio
Scary Ships On D-Scan
#22 - 2015-09-05 23:49:02 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
As for using the channel to gank players, that very well can happen. However any character that provides bookmarks for gank trap's can be backlisted and kicked from the channel.


Yeh we try to keep close tabs on such matters. Its happens but with a little conversation you can often tell right away from their attitude what their intentions are.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-09-05 23:51:37 UTC
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.

Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.


And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras.

But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force.


.... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all?

snicker...



Nope, I was hopeing for something russian style.


Check out the name :)




Dayyyyyuumm

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#24 - 2015-09-06 04:04:36 UTC
used to be active in the channel and gave away wrecks, but have moved to a more blitz play style and generate so few wrecks that are so spread out that it seems more effort than it is worth.

an awesome thing when it works out though.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Sasha Nyemtsov
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-09-06 06:54:05 UTC
Estevan Valladares wrote:


And ? I m Estevan and I aint Spanish.


Good Riposte!

www.minerbumping.com

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-09-06 08:22:04 UTC
Estevan Valladares wrote:

We can do this all day, because you defend the right of a person to be free to restrict the right of another, and that is supremelly dumb.

No. I simply 'defend the right' of a person to be properly informed about what the game allows. Not some wishy washy 'herp derp you're infringing on muh freedoms' BS you're painting this as. My point is people shouldn't take this game that seriously. Play to win by all means, but at the end of he day, this still just a game. All I ask is people act like it, instead of assigning moral judgements upon people and their character for how they play the game.

I have no problem with this channel, or what it's there for. I applaud anyone's efforts to help out new players, even if it's not how I would go about it. I just wanted to point out that actively dissuading someone from ninja salvaging is silly. That's how it looked like, whether that's actually what's being done I don't know.

Grrr.
Niriel Greez
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-09-06 11:09:03 UTC
Cpt Armarlio wrote:
and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.



Yeah, show them the joy of salvaging wreck after wreck which is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

To even imply they have to seek your permission to salvage your wrecks is ridiculous. You are about as low in the food chain as can be and chances are the wrecks were never your property to begin with, because you cannot own that what you are not willing to defend.
Malt Zedong
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2015-09-06 17:29:46 UTC
Niriel Greez wrote:
Cpt Armarlio wrote:
and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.



Yeah, show them the joy of salvaging wreck after wreck which is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

To even imply they have to seek your permission to salvage your wrecks is ridiculous. You are about as low in the food chain as can be and chances are the wrecks were never your property to begin with, because you cannot own that what you are not willing to defend.


Another example of "You have to like what I like and play the way I play".

People dont need other people to say what is boring or exciting, they need to find it by themselves. You see, the guy is not saying he will prevent people from being ninja salvagers, he is saying that he can show people they can belong and do something in a different way.

If it is boring for them, they will find out eventually, and seek other oportunities. They have to have the freedom of finding out, and people have to have the freedom of not likeing something, again, even if it is allowed to be done by mechanics.
The guys deffending ninja salvaging are the ones trying to prey on new people and tell them what they should like or do. What is boring what is exciting.

Always the same. "Freedom fighters who fight to make people free to do what they, the liberators, think it is freedom".

Quote:
"Who I am to you deppend on what ideas you are slave of.
What I accomplished is important deppending on what ideas you are slave of.
Who or what I should obey, serve or fear, also deppends on what ideas you are slave of.
If I choose to be a slave of one person rather than a slave of several people through the submission to their ideas, it is up to me.
It all ends up being the same.
At least I am a slave to coherent ideas and not to ilusions of freedom or power.
I am sure I know who I serve and to what end.
Do YOU ?"

WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2015-09-07 06:57:59 UTC
Cpt Armarlio wrote:
Hello everyone I just wanted to inform you about the “free wrecks” channel. Its a channel where mission runners offer their wrecks (as the title says) for free, to any willing salvager. We aim to help out newer players by alleviating the boundaries they fall into from making ISK with little to none skills or knowledge; what to do and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.

Not only is “free wrecks” a great place for newer players to make ISK, but it's a great place for new and old players socialise, to meet and exchange knowledge of what to do and (hopefully) form lasting friendships.

Join our in game channel today “Free Wrecks” and we hope to pair you up with someone who can offer you “free wrecks” or find a personal salvager.

The "Free Wrecks" channel is sponsored by Pro Synergy

**Also to note the channel is moderated by several people to filter out scammers.






Good to see that great channel is still around after all these years.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Niriel Greez
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-09-07 10:03:23 UTC
Malt Zedong wrote:
Niriel Greez wrote:
Cpt Armarlio wrote:
and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.



Yeah, show them the joy of salvaging wreck after wreck which is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

To even imply they have to seek your permission to salvage your wrecks is ridiculous. You are about as low in the food chain as can be and chances are the wrecks were never your property to begin with, because you cannot own that what you are not willing to defend.


Another example of "You have to like what I like and play the way I play".

People dont need other people to say what is boring or exciting, they need to find it by themselves. You see, the guy is not saying he will prevent people from being ninja salvagers, he is saying that he can show people they can belong and do something in a different way.

If it is boring for them, they will find out eventually, and seek other oportunities. They have to have the freedom of finding out, and people have to have the freedom of not likeing something, again, even if it is allowed to be done by mechanics.
The guys deffending ninja salvaging are the ones trying to prey on new people and tell them what they should like or do. What is boring what is exciting.

Always the same. "Freedom fighters who fight to make people free to do what they, the liberators, think it is freedom".

Quote:
"Who I am to you deppend on what ideas you are slave of.
What I accomplished is important deppending on what ideas you are slave of.
Who or what I should obey, serve or fear, also deppends on what ideas you are slave of.
If I choose to be a slave of one person rather than a slave of several people through the submission to their ideas, it is up to me.
It all ends up being the same.
At least I am a slave to coherent ideas and not to ilusions of freedom or power.
I am sure I know who I serve and to what end.
Do YOU ?"


Except that it's a terrible way to present the game to a new player.

Mining isn't emergent, dynamic or exciting gameplay - this is a fact. It is also a fact that there are certain individuals who still enjoy it, but it cannot be considered an activity that challenges the human mind and surely does not represent the pinnacle of what this game has to offer.

But to even think that you are being helpful by basically telling a new player 'hey, lock up this wreck, click salvage and repeat this a few hundred times', is extremely stupid and ignorant.

The approach of 'hey, go salvage that guy's wrecks and see if you can find a way to kill him if he's dumb enough to aggress you' creates an engaging experience of figuring out how to accomplish these tasks successfully.

The game might be a sandbox, but it is also a PvP-centric game and people should stop pretending otherwise.
Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-09-07 21:34:17 UTC
Except that it's a terrible way to present the game to a new player.
That is not a fact, that is YOUR view, which a person could disagree. I do, I know people who does, and they are not just one or two. That is the classic example: "Play the way I like because it is the right way to play."

Mining isn't emergent, dynamic or exciting gameplay
Again not a fact. Again your own accessment, you just one second time say it is a fact, now directly.

But to even think that you are being helpful by basically telling a new player 'hey, lock up this wreck, click salvage and repeat this a few hundred times', is extremely stupid and ignorant.
Ignorant is to ignore something. Ignoring for example that for ME, combat in eve is boring and mindless job. I like combat, and that is why I do it in other games, because in here, no matter how much you think it is, for me it is not. The difference is I know that is MY opinion, not a fact.

The approach of 'hey, go salvage that guy's wrecks and see if you can find a way to kill him if he's dumb enough to aggress you' creates an engaging experience of figuring out how to accomplish these tasks successfully.
Again, another time, you say something that is entirely your own feelings, opinions and views as being the general consensus. It is not. And you cannot make it so by repeating it all the time.

The game might be a sandbox, but it is also a PvP-centric game and people should stop pretending otherwise.
The same place when you draw the PVP centric concept also states that pvp in eve takes many forms. Your narrow mind is the one implying that it must take a form of armed combat and blunt defiance. Again, you simply get what EVE is to you and make it seem as it is for everyone.

Someone once told me that I draw too much examples from real life. Yes, and that is because in EVE or in real life, everything is cause and effect. The fact that you do this "Play the way I like because it is the right way" is basically the same in real life, IT SERVES NO PURPOSE ingame. If it is just a game and dont matter, why matter so much to convince people that the game is the way you see it rather than leave them alone to see it anyway they want ? Why bothers people so much that I dont agree that I have to do or play the way you do ?

This is the oldest thing in EVE and even CCP aknowledges that making mechanics and modules to the exact intent of protecting people which are not combating with firearms. And that is the reason you guys come here to try the "shame game" on the people who like this other side.

It is the exact idea that you cant fight us in our fight, so you either draw people to your area, or just cry out in the forums saying that "it is not fair", "it is not honor", or whatever non-sense the other threads talk about when you simply dont fight or dont like fighting.

I proudly have been avoiding fights in my hauling and helping people in their mining and salvaging from a long time, and I never saw how the few times I fought were any more interesting or mind exhausting.

If it is just a game, it is just a game no matter what. If you come to say your "likes" are facts, it is not just a game. Let people play the way you want. If you want to prove you right, just run a pirate salvage corp and be happy.

WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#32 - 2015-09-07 21:44:41 UTC
Oh, give the pseudo-intellectual political philosophy treatises a rest why don't you, it's just a game.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-09-07 22:13:22 UTC
Some Elite Wrecks salvaging contains rare parts.

Some other rare Manufacturing components maybe can only be found from Salvaging.

(...the post was thrown into search but was saved automatically by returning to the previous page.)


I was going to post about you, Pro Synergy, since I posted about offering wreck locations for ingame ISK.
This, to include, , wrecks from PvP and not only mission.

We also discussed in the past but that was it.
Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-09-07 22:34:52 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Oh, give the pseudo-intellectual political philosophy treatises a rest why don't you, it's just a game.


So lets blunt reality.

Lock target, no matter what target is the same.

Orbit, choose the path and react to attacks is the same no matter which target it is, npc or otherwise.

Being hit by a player or npc, strictly gamewise, is exactly the same.

Lock and pop a npc or a player, removing the idea of being another person who has feelings about being hit, is just the same.

Doing logistics, salvaging, preventing being attacked while doing missions, attacking a player or mining is exactly the same mechanics wise.

The controls, the UI, the ship and the reactions strictly commanded by mechanics are also the same.

What really makes it different doing it for this or that purpose ?

By game mechanics or button pressing, it is exactly the same.

The only difference is what that means out of the game for the people participating.

If it is just a game, and it doesnt matter, it also doesnt matter who or what it is because the who is a game character, and what is a game reward.

If nothing beyond the game matters, why play at all ?

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Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#35 - 2015-09-07 22:42:07 UTC
"Matching cargo/ship scanning ganker alts with potential shiny piñatas"

Lol

Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-09-08 03:02:06 UTC
I'm putting all my alts in here now because I didn't like your tone or lack of deference. THIS is emergent gameplay. I hope for their sake that all your salvagers have permits.

Hey sasha, recon we could make October a salvager focused month, just as we're currently hunting explorers?

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#37 - 2015-09-08 20:04:00 UTC
Niriel Greez wrote:
Cpt Armarlio wrote:
and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.



Yeah, show them the joy of salvaging wreck after wreck which is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

To even imply they have to seek your permission to salvage your wrecks is ridiculous. You are about as low in the food chain as can be and chances are the wrecks were never your property to begin with, because you cannot own that what you are not willing to defend.

when it lets newbies get a quick surplus of isk so they can move on to other activities early on, I'd say that's a good thing. Plus with this kind of arrangement they usually get the loot too.

ninja salvaging seems horribly inefficient in terms of isk making... although if they shoot you and get concorded that's probably a nice injection. Lol

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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