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Welcome To The “Free Wrecks” Channel.

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Cpt Armarlio
Scary Ships On D-Scan
#1 - 2015-09-05 18:44:09 UTC
Hello everyone I just wanted to inform you about the “free wrecks” channel. Its a channel where mission runners offer their wrecks (as the title says) for free, to any willing salvager. We aim to help out newer players by alleviating the boundaries they fall into from making ISK with little to none skills or knowledge; what to do and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.

Not only is “free wrecks” a great place for newer players to make ISK, but it's a great place for new and old players socialise, to meet and exchange knowledge of what to do and (hopefully) form lasting friendships.

Join our in game channel today “Free Wrecks” and we hope to pair you up with someone who can offer you “free wrecks” or find a personal salvager.

The "Free Wrecks" channel is sponsored by Pro Synergy

**Also to note the channel is moderated by several people to filter out scammers.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2015-09-05 19:25:49 UTC
I think that, at least, the act of bringing people together is commendable. Please don't get me wrong about that. I just think teaching new players good life lessons that will stay with them throughout their EVE career would be more beneficial :)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-09-05 19:27:27 UTC
Alas, one derp for your first feedback.

I think change the name just to give a bit of flavour. I for one welcome the idea of working with those who ask. Ninja and I shoot wrecks. Ask, and I abandon them for you with bookmarks.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-09-05 19:43:12 UTC
If OP initiative is honest, I applaud, It is nice to see people doing good.

For the detractors however:

When you say human interaction you mean veterans shooting rookies. I assume.

Because otherwise, being in the company of a veteran missions runner and having the oportunity to see first hand what it is like is by definition human interaction.

This kind of statement as any bearing the "carebear" concept is always an example of "I want you to play the way I want because I only can enjoy the game if people play it the way I want".

Meanwhile, you have infindable threads where people are crying rivers because the so called "pvpers" get upset when they bother the Russian "carebears" and they show up with hundreds of ships and obliterate eventually anyone.

Do you see issue here ? Do you get why people really dont care about your definition of human interaction ?

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Amber Starview
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-09-05 19:48:41 UTC
I think it sounds a fine idea although think their is already something like this ....ignore angry bitter people like bumble telling u how/what to do ....unfortunately eve has s few like this who think their opinion is everything and they are wrong ....do what u like its a sandbox ,if the haters hate then tough
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#6 - 2015-09-05 20:15:16 UTC
Estevan Valladares wrote:

Do you see issue here ? Do you get why people really dont care about your definition of human interaction ?



You in particular seem to care very much about it.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#7 - 2015-09-05 20:16:51 UTC
My issue was essentially with this line in the OP:


"help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging."


implying that there is something wrong with this profession.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Cpt Armarlio
Scary Ships On D-Scan
#8 - 2015-09-05 20:18:36 UTC
Amber Starview wrote:
I think it sounds a fine idea although think their is already something like this ....ignore angry bitter people like bumble telling u how/what to do ....unfortunately eve has s few like this who think their opinion is everything and they are wrong ....do what u like its a sandbox ,if the haters hate then tough


This is the “already something like this”.

Free wrecks has been around since 2009 but most of the mission runners are doing other stuff and salvagers either got rich and moved on or plexed their account and move over to Pro Synergy or other stuff.
Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-09-05 20:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Estevan Valladares
Bumblefck wrote:
My issue was essentially with this line in the OP:


"help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging."


implying that there is something wrong with this profession.


Yes, the fact that someone is unable to imply they dont like a given kind of gameplay is exactly the kind of freedom you have.

Some people mistake democracy with freedom. It is perfectly normal in a free social media to discuss anything. In a democratic society you have to manifest only that which the majority allows you.

While it is freedom to be able to consider a ninja salvager scum, it is democratic to forbid such assertion because the majority of the people wants it like that, and worse yet, the majority of the appointed representatives.

So yeah, basically you are free to be a ninja salvage, but you cant expect everyone to like you for that.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#10 - 2015-09-05 20:48:32 UTC

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When you say human interaction you mean veterans shooting rookies. I assume.



You assume wrongly (again). You shouldn't do that too much, you know what it does to you, right?


I mean ANY human interaction. Carebears generally shy away from any form of direct PVP. Tell me, what's the typical response in this situation: Somebody warps into your mission, and starts stealing loot and/or salvaging under your nose. What would you do?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-09-05 20:55:30 UTC
Estevan Valladares wrote:
So yeah, basically you are free to be a ninja salvage, but you cant expect everyone to like you for that.

No, no you can't expect someone to like you for that. That would be dumb. It would also be dumb to dissuade someone from ninja salvaging, what with it being valid gameplay and all.

Grrr.
Sasha Nyemtsov
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-09-05 21:36:40 UTC
Thank you. Your altruism may well provide an unexpected windfall to the target-hungry elite PvPers of Highsec.

I fear that not all of your greedy little salvagers will be new players; some at least are likely to be experienced carebears with a taste for Level 4 Mission scrap - and no Permit in their bio, either.

Whether new player or not, the resulting carnage is likely to be as hilarious as it is predictable.

Predictable because your channel would provide any of my alts with the means to place an attractive advertisement, promising lots of lovely blue wrecks from certain well-known and lucrative missions.

Helpful bookmarks will add to the lure, ensuring that the visitor arrives at just the right spot for a pleasant and light-hearted conversation with an Agent of the New Order of Highsec, such as myself. Ahem.

I wish your initiative every success.



www.minerbumping.com

Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-09-05 21:50:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Estevan Valladares
Azda Ja wrote:
Estevan Valladares wrote:
So yeah, basically you are free to be a ninja salvage, but you cant expect everyone to like you for that.

No, no you can't expect someone to like you for that. That would be dumb. It would also be dumb to dissuade someone from ninja salvaging, what with it being valid gameplay and all.


It would also be dumb to dissuade someone from trying to show people how you can be a salvager without being a ninja salvager, specially when many ninja salvagers are shot dead quickly.

Go ninja salvage the russians ... lol

We can do this all day, because you defend the right of a person to be free to restrict the right of another, and that is supremelly dumb.

Bumblefck wrote:

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When you say human interaction you mean veterans shooting rookies. I assume.



You assume wrongly (again). You shouldn't do that too much, you know what it does to you, right?


I mean ANY human interaction. Carebears generally shy away from any form of direct PVP. Tell me, what's the typical response in this situation: Somebody warps into your mission, and starts stealing loot and/or salvaging under your nose. What would you do?


So you see that human interaction means humans interacting, and that does not means human versus human. Ergo the initiative of the OP is human interaction. So you essencially saying he is wrong because what he offers to do does not consist what it consists of, and therefore he is by offering human interaction preventing human interaction.

This is really hard to keep out of any irony impaired trolling form.

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ISD Supogo
ISD BH
ISD Alliance
#14 - 2015-09-05 22:04:33 UTC
Deleted an insulting post and those quoting it. Just because someone doesn't play EVE a certain way doesn't mean it's wrong. It's part of the sandbox.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#15 - 2015-09-05 22:12:57 UTC
My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.

Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-09-05 22:23:47 UTC
This thread should have been posted in the sub-forum 'Missions & Complexes'.

+1 to the OP.

I remember when the 'Free Wrecks' channel was first created. It was a very good idea back then and it's still a very good idea. This service creates an excellent option for new players to gain ISK.

As for using the channel to gank players, that very well can happen. However any character that provides bookmarks for gank trap's can be backlisted and kicked from the channel.



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Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-09-05 22:25:31 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.

Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.


And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras.

But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force.

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Sasha Nyemtsov
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-09-05 22:36:25 UTC
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.

Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.


And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras.

But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force.


.... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all?

snicker...

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Estevan Valladares
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-09-05 22:46:23 UTC
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.

Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.


And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras.

But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force.


.... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all?

snicker...



Nope, I was hopeing for something russian style.

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Sasha Nyemtsov
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-09-05 23:16:58 UTC
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
Estevan Valladares wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.

Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.


And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras.

But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force.


.... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all?

snicker...



Nope, I was hopeing for something russian style.


Check out the name :)

www.minerbumping.com

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