EVE General Discussion

Eve eye maps were quite a useful out of game browser app that provided a great deal of information about the eve universe, including being able to view Anoikis and New Eden together and visualizing the Thera connectivity between the two clusters. Additionally one could view all sorts of data regarding different regions, from factional warfare to trade activity.

Eve eye the service for trading etc was also very useful for many players, although I personally used the map more than anything else (I know my eve **** :P).

The app has now been taken offline for the following reasons:

"sorry and thanks for the appreciation to the 4 people who donated real money for eveeye or maps ever. please let me know if you would like your money back. fcuk ccp 3rd party monetizing wise. this has been dedicated and hard work. /risingson@databased.at"

https://maps.eveeye.com/

It is a big shame that the community doesn't value this service as it is one of the most sophisticated services that have ever been developed as a 3rd party support application. Back when I started the game players really went out of their way to support those 3rd party tools and this is what helped the cornucopia of eve web resources available today, to exist at all.

I don't know if we can help or not, I am also interested to see what good/bad things people have to say about the EvE eye service.

Did you use it? Should the developer be supported?

Personally I didn't even know the developer was even after donations, so perhaps they could have done a better job in asking for them!

Off to work!

If you make an APP, it should be as a hobby.
If it costs you money or a lot of hard work to make the APP, so be it.
The rules are: You should NOT make RL money off an EVE Online service.

EVE-EYE used to be free, then he started to charge money for the use of it.
Its his own fault. If he really loves EVE it should be for free or he should ask ISK for it.

Lets see you put hundreds of hours into developing something for free, spending your RL money on hosting etc.

THEN will you be able to have a valid cause for making this argument.

I'm not saying people should make serious bank on CCP's IP but ffs give and take and common sense should be applied.

Well you can make money, but in the sense of like ad's to help cover cost of hosting. Why he did not add a simple google ad sense to his page and let users click on it is beyond me however.

What common sense? You are not allowed to profit off of CCP's IP. Common sense would result in not charging money for anything you create around that IP. The guy broke that common sense and CCP reacted.

If the guy does nto want to spend time and mooney on his app, then he should NOT DO IT.

OK, actually i did not expect the overwhelming responses on reddit and via mail. someone pointed me at patreon which might be an option for me to continue. view the campaign here: https://patreon.com/eveeye

I don't think you understand how monetisation works. The link was posted directly above you, and it explains that if you're making money for the service, be it patreon donations or otherwise, you need a commercial license. So your options are, make it free, or get a license. That's the bottom line. Here is a snippet from the link http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/dev-track-feedback-monetizing-your-apps-and-services/?_ga=1.93524181.95594177.1434283807

Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?

Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.

Will website ads require a commercial license?

Yes, for ad-supported websites you will require a commercial license.

Will donations require a commercial license?

Yes, for donation supported websites you will require a commercial license.

Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game services?

No, the commercial license does not allow you to charge real life money for any in-game services.

Thats YOUR opinion.

The internet is a wonderful world where people can SAY they do lots of things... i for example date a supermodel. You SAY you paid all of this just for the love of the game... mmm ok i believe you even though countless thousands wouldnt.

I'm saying if you wanted to put ads on your forums, on your guides you should be able to, if you want to charge a small fee to cover server costs and users will buy into that then you should be able to. Restricting monetization in such an absolute fashion kills creativity. If someone were making serious money off CCP's IP such as by for example selling posters of ships then thats not benefiting the eve community and reasonable for CCP to smack them down.

I can see the balance that CCP has to strike but common sense should prevail. i.e. does the dude actually make serious money from this or is he covering server costs.

ffs just buy a commercial liscence and charge a 15$ annual fee to use the program. You need what? 7 subscribers to make it worth while. Considering the flow people (self included) drop on this game that's nothing.

iirc they tried to bring it back i think two years ago, but the backlash again made them take pause.

you can place ads to cover cost of hosting. Because you are not really charging for anything. Its how i understand it