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Splitting PLEX up

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Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
#61 - 2015-08-27 19:11:56 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Crimson Draufgange wrote:
- Under the new structure, instead of buying a PLEX from CCP to convert into aurum, I could buy an aurum token.


Op, I get the impression you are not aware that you can buy Aurum directly from CCP, there is no need to convert PLEX.


Seems I forgot. So yes you can buy aurum directly, or you can buy a plex to buy aurum. I'm proposing to remove aurum from plex to help drive plex prices down.

Also, more plex sales would be nice.

My Velator is overpowered.

"I use my hairgel to tackle my targets because it has a long lasting firm hold." - Me.

Dirk MacGirk
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#62 - 2015-08-27 22:02:52 UTC
As interesting as this topic is, it starts off from a failed premise: that plex were designed so users could play to pay. It was not. PLEX was created in order to create a CCP-sanctioned method of trading real money for in-game currency as a means of combating illicit real money trading and the secondary security issues associated with it. The uses that players get out of PLEX is just a means to an end, not the end itself.

Players create the supply and demand for PLEX and a higher price is in CCP's best interest from an illicit RMT perspective. The higher the price of PLEX goes, the more effective it as at combating RMT. Whether it makes it harder for some players to play to pay is not important. If CCP chose to not fight RMT by way of PLEX, it probably wouldn't exist at all. The game would just be subscriptions with probably a higher dose of microtransactions associated with Aurum.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#63 - 2015-08-29 15:28:27 UTC
Lu Ziffer wrote:
The PLEX prize is pushed by players with to much ISK and there are players who have stockpiles of PLEX some of them have 1000-10000.

PLEX is trading commodity and if there is ISK that needs to be invested then PLEX is the way to go. PLEX is the market with biggest volume and the best longterm potential.

Just limit the amount of PLEX per account to 100 and a lot of PLEX willl get into the market.

This. The rich players who hoard 100s or even 1000s of PLEX as gold reserve are really hurting the game. Active players is THE most important asset CCP has. PLEX should be used for game time and NOTHING else.

* remove all other uses for PLEX
* limit PLEX per account to 5
* add a 30 day expiration timer to PLEX, when the timer reaches 0 it deletes itself (and the client plays a video of Hilmar lighting a cigar with a 20€ bill)
Madd Adda
#64 - 2015-08-29 17:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Madd Adda
Algarion Getz wrote:

* add a 30 day expiration timer to PLEX, when the timer reaches 0 it deletes itself (and the client plays a video of Hilmar lighting a cigar with a 20€ bill)


now that would be dumb, you can sell a plex but it doesn't guarantee there will be buyer. i can see the trolls wait till the last second to sell a plex only to have the buyer lose the plex they bought while losing their money.

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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
#65 - 2015-08-29 22:09:57 UTC
so inflation is going to force us to sell game time by the minute?

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Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2015-08-30 21:37:17 UTC
Algarion Getz wrote:
This. The rich players who hoard 100s or even 1000s of PLEX as gold reserve

Oh, please tell me that's what they're doing: http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/gold.aspx?timeframe=3y
Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
#67 - 2015-08-31 05:26:32 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
so inflation is going to force us to sell game time by the minute?


CCP, Now introducing the 1 week PLEX! Can be bought for five US dollars and can be redeemed for one week of game time!

That could actually be interesting. It might open some new doors for those people who train characters just to sell them on the character bazaar.

My Velator is overpowered.

"I use my hairgel to tackle my targets because it has a long lasting firm hold." - Me.

Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2015-08-31 08:21:53 UTC
The price of plex shot the moon cause of ISK faucets. Null ratting or hisec incursions/missions, whatever-too many ISK, and for enough players plex got a high priority of the list of things to spend ISK on. The way plex keeps going up in price is going to continue, at least until the bubble pops. It would be kind of interesting if someone with 1000+ plex dumped on the Jita market.

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Anthar Thebess
#69 - 2015-08-31 08:52:05 UTC
The simplest thing is to pull plex out of the eve market.
I personally know people that play on plex price and want to keep it as close to 1 bil as possible , while making tons of isk on the well planned fluctuation.

They have trillions of isk , so buying 1000 plexes off market is no issue for them.

Plex is best investment in the game, as it have stable value , and constant demand due to alt accounts.
Maybe removing the Plex to ARUM conversion could be good. ( but i think no one in ccp will go for this)
People who buy ARUM for $ will get better deals , and plex price could drop.

Why lower plex price is good for the game?
Because people are leaving the game because of it.
Even when they still pay for main account , they don't play as 1-2 alt account was plexed and they will not play only on 1 account.
I know this is 'stupid' but people do this.


Agree. Eve need more isk sinks.
From my perspective CCP should stop introducing BPO for new modules or structures.
Instead of this BPC should be available in LP stores.
This way each dead structure will provide nice isk sink.

I know that there will be always positive flow to game, but current prices are 'mad'.

When i started to play this game i needed 60mil to buy first raven ( all websites pointed that this is the best thing to make ISK in this game).
Compare this 60mil to current price - and for the new player it is still hard to make isk in this game , as they lack the knowledge and skills to provide basic income.

Not so long ago i pulled newbie corp to nullsec ( thanks fozzie for letting this to happen ).
We are talking about 2-3 mil sp players - some could say that they where to "young" for nullsec , but they are managing.
In the higsec they earned around 6mil per day / per player.
Now , they can afford to use faction ships and learn how to live in nullsec.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#70 - 2015-08-31 09:48:14 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Why lower plex price is good for the game?
Because people are leaving the game because of it.


CCP Terminus wrote:
So far, to my knowledge, even with the ruble plummeting recently, the overall subscriber ratio hasn't really been affected. People who couldn't afford to pay subscription began PLEXing their accounts. The same is true in reverse for the PLEX speculation spike that happened late last year. The overall subscriber count wasn't really affected. After the Black Friday PLEX sale PLEX prices hovered steadily around 800m ISK for around 4 months.

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Raymond Simous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2015-08-31 16:10:03 UTC
i go away for 3 years and these debates are still happening WTF.

then and now i plex my account for the shear convince of it.

im doing it all the time since i restarted because i have the game on steam and its easier than remembering to keep my steam wallet charged i buy 6 plex every 3 months, and i sell 3 and use the rest to top up game time when needed.


i do agree with the point on expiry but just make it one year with aq SALE expiry of 10 or 11 months to stop the hoarders and most trolls
Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2015-08-31 17:20:15 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
It would be kind of interesting if someone with 1000+ plex dumped on the Jita market.

Probably not that much. But that does depend on why the price is rising. The big piece of missing information is how much new PLEX is actually entering the market.

If this price rise simply due to people flipping PLEX back and forth with each other (i.e. buying a PLEX solely to sell it at a higher price, and repeating with a new PLEX) then a supply shock like that would burst the bubble like an automatic nail gun.

If, on the other hand, all those 800-900M buy orders are pent up demand from people who would love to PLEX their account but are being slowly priced out then you'd drop the price for a while but unless you can keep the extra volume coming in the price will go right back over a billion.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#73 - 2015-08-31 17:24:51 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Aerasia wrote:
Crimson Draufgange wrote:
So, before you guys start flaming, raging, bashing, etc. this idea, let's hear your great idea on how to make PLEX cheaper, more affordable, and more viable option for those players that use it to keep their account subscribed.

Well, the best way to make PLEX more available is to get more people to buy them for cash. The best way to do that is to make their value per dollar higher.

So, the best way to make PLEX more affordable is to raise their ISK price.



People fail to realize real world economics hit much harder than in game things.

The blockade of MOST credit cards operators from russia is the MAJOR factor why the PLEX demand skyrocketed.

So go ask Obama and Merkel for a fix, because only they can do it.


I think it's only far to credit Mr Putin with some agency in theis situation as well.

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Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
#74 - 2015-08-31 18:34:22 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
The price of plex shot the moon cause of ISK faucets. Null ratting or hisec incursions/missions, whatever-too many ISK, and for enough players plex got a high priority of the list of things to spend ISK on. The way plex keeps going up in price is going to continue, at least until the bubble pops. It would be kind of interesting if someone with 1000+ plex dumped on the Jita market.


Actually, not to long ago, I was in Jita on my alt and noticed someone with a buy order for 1,000 PLEX. Yeah, 1,000 PLEX. Sadly I did not get a snapshot of it.

My Velator is overpowered.

"I use my hairgel to tackle my targets because it has a long lasting firm hold." - Me.

Raymond Simous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2015-09-01 04:26:59 UTC
ive recently seen buy orders for 1.00isk per plex around the gal
Oddyssus
United Celestial Order
#76 - 2015-09-03 10:56:27 UTC
How would it affect the game if?Idea

PLEX should be sold by a non player corporation in 1.0 systems.

PLEX should have a set price like the skill books the characters use to gain abilities in game.

PLEX should be purchasable from said corporation only by characters with a 0.5 security status.Smile

PLEX should be purchasable from said corporation only by the CEO or a director of a corporation.

PLEX should be purchasable from said corporation only by a character that is currently on a subscription funded account.Evil

PLEX should not be applied to the account of the character that makes their purchase from said corporation.Twisted

PLEX station trades and contracts should be restricted to the corporation of the CEO or director who purchased them from the said non player corporation.

PLEX should be resold on the open market to anyone at any price.

PLEX resold on the open market should be usable by everyone.

Issue solved thank me later when the daily logins jump.Big smile

It does not have to be done exactly like this but CCP could use game mechanics to make PLEX easy to attain by characters with the specific profiles they want to target.
Maded Rift
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2015-09-03 11:34:24 UTC
*Simple, make pirate bounties dynamic to plex prices, and or even ore amount spawn. problem solved
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2015-09-03 12:49:16 UTC
Maded Rift wrote:
*Simple, make pirate bounties dynamic to plex prices, and or even ore amount spawn. problem solved


Or just leave it as is and let the market sort itself up or down since PLEXing your account is not a god granted right. Problem solved in a much easyer way.
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2015-09-03 15:17:38 UTC
Maded Rift wrote:
*Simple, make pirate bounties dynamic to plex prices, and or even ore amount spawn. problem solved


lol if by "problem solved" you mean exponential inflation.
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#80 - 2015-09-03 15:19:23 UTC
Oddyssus wrote:
How would it affect the game if?Idea

PLEX should be sold by a non player corporation in 1.0 systems.Big smile


You can stop right there as the answer is "CCP goes bankrupt".