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Why are CCP dumbing down this game?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2011-09-14 21:43:49 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Tippia: I agree with most you say about the important issues. I do not agree with this.
Ok. Why not?

Oh, and the features I remember from 1993 (or, really, 1995) was that imps were really nasty, black was really expensive, and firewolves were more trouble than they were worth. I'm not sure I want any of those features in EVE.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#22 - 2011-09-14 21:57:19 UTC
What an uppity. self-righteous OP. I can't stand people that believe PC gaming is the almighty-superior way to play a game. Especially since graphics are usually the only difference, aside from the use of a controller. And if you can't use one of those, whose dumb? Granted, I've been using PCs and consoles since 1989.

Take your World of Warcraft mentality and please leave.
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-09-14 22:05:29 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
What an uppity. self-righteous OP. I can't stand people that believe PC gaming is the almighty-superior way to play a game. Especially since graphics are usually the only difference, aside from the use of a controller. And if you can't use one of those, whose dumb? Granted, I've been using PCs and consoles since 1989.

Take your World of Warcraft mentality and please leave.



Just because you think he's not right, doesn' automatically make you right either.

Think about it.
Qin Shi Huang
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-09-14 23:53:13 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
What an uppity. self-righteous OP. I can't stand people that believe PC gaming is the almighty-superior way to play a game. Especially since graphics are usually the only difference, aside from the use of a controller. And if you can't use one of those, whose dumb? Granted, I've been using PCs and consoles since 1989.

Take your World of Warcraft mentality and please leave.



I didn't quite understand "What an uppity. self-righteous OP" - is that a convoluted insult to me?

Your comparison to WoW is spot on! That was exactly my point - thank you Sir.

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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-09-14 23:54:53 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
What an uppity. self-righteous OP. I can't stand people that believe PC gaming is the almighty-superior way to play a game. Especially since graphics are usually the only difference, aside from the use of a controller. And if you can't use one of those, whose dumb? Granted, I've been using PCs and consoles since 1989.

Take your World of Warcraft mentality and please leave.

Console kiddies can stfu.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-09-14 23:55:05 UTC
lowest common denominator = more subs

there you go

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-09-14 23:58:19 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


I laughed when all the nullsec peeps cried foul over Sanctum nerfing. But than I saw how it affected them - and I feel bad. There should be a lucrative reason to compete over territory, and there is no reason in the current state. Even worse - they're coming to lowsec for lulz instead, bringing their imbalanced supercap fleets with them.


an now theyre (led by Mittans of the CSM) pointing at highsec to get nerfed

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#28 - 2011-09-14 23:59:52 UTC
I support all means of complication that has a purpose. Agent quality wasn't a bad idea when it was introduced, however what it meant practically was everyone did missions in only a few hubs, creating needless lag and load issues. Now if you want to make the system complicated and have some purpose to it, go for it!

I don't think Eve is getting dumbed down, in fact I think it is allowing for more creativity personally. With the changes lately for scanning, it is MUCH easier to hunt people without them knowing it, and if you are a Ninja salvager, you can roam more freely knowing there are more places to ninja.

AG
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-09-15 00:00:10 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


I laughed when all the nullsec peeps cried foul over Sanctum nerfing. But than I saw how it affected them - and I feel bad. There should be a lucrative reason to compete over territory, and there is no reason in the current state. Even worse - they're coming to lowsec for lulz instead, bringing their imbalanced supercap fleets with them.


an now theyre (led by Mittans of the CSM) pointing at highsec to get nerfed

Can't happen fast enough. Between ~elite PvPers~ crying about their supers getting nerfed and empire pubbies crying about highsec we are awash in the tears of the unrighteous.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-09-15 00:15:20 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


I laughed when all the nullsec peeps cried foul over Sanctum nerfing. But than I saw how it affected them - and I feel bad. There should be a lucrative reason to compete over territory, and there is no reason in the current state. Even worse - they're coming to lowsec for lulz instead, bringing their imbalanced supercap fleets with them.


an now theyre (led by Mittans of the CSM) pointing at highsec to get nerfed

Can't happen fast enough. Between ~elite PvPers~ crying about their supers getting nerfed and empire pubbies crying about highsec we are awash in the tears of the unrighteous.


THIS is why Im glad for the forum block feature. Ive been filling it up with Goons

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-09-15 00:20:28 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
THIS is why Im glad for the forum block feature. Ive been filling it up with Goons

You want to talk trash about Goons but not see their responses? Come on...the best part of trolling people is the responses.
Qin Shi Huang
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-09-15 00:21:40 UTC
Just to clarify, my point is that the removal of agent quality from R&D agents dumbs down the game. It is NOT just a mindless grind for standing. The price difference between datacores, faction/corp standing, the accessability of agents etc has an impact on your earning potential.

Do not listen to the "old timers" - they set this up years ago and - in general - have no ******* clue how it works today.

My OP was never about agent quality for combat missions. If the business analysts, game designers or whatever they are called cannot see the difference, they should go a little easy on the bong.

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Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#33 - 2011-09-15 00:29:32 UTC
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Just to clarify, my point is that the removal of agent quality from R&D agents dumbs down the game. It is NOT just a mindless grind for standing. The price difference between datacores, faction/corp standing, the accessability of agents etc has an impact on your earning potential.

Do not listen to the "old timers" - they set this up years ago and - in general - have no ******* clue how it works today.

My OP was never about agent quality for combat missions. If the business analysts, game designers or whatever they are called cannot see the difference, they should go a little easy on the bong.


YOUTH CULTURE FOREVER, MAN!

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Fawcks
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-09-15 00:56:09 UTC
Eve needs to be practically lawndarted into the ground for it to be dumbed-down enough for me to actually be successful at it.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#35 - 2011-09-15 01:01:19 UTC
Fawcks wrote:
Eve needs to be practically lawndarted into the ground for it to be dumbed-down enough for me to actually be successful at it.


I would argue that, if you're having fun, you are successful.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2011-09-15 01:01:37 UTC
Fawcks wrote:
Eve needs to be practically lawndarted into the ground for it to be dumbed-down enough for me to actually be successful at it.


At least you will have some success in a computer game like EVE unlike in life.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Fawcks
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-09-15 01:42:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
Tippia: I agree with most you say about the important issues. I do not agree with this.
Ok. Why not?

Oh, and the features I remember from 1993 (or, really, 1995) was that imps were really nasty, black was really expensive, and firewolves were more trouble than they were worth. I'm not sure I want any of those features in EVE.

RACISM
Tiven loves Tansien
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-09-15 07:48:43 UTC
Malken wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
u get LP from incursions and some isk

we do need an isk sink in eve, which is why wardecs cost should be 10 times the current price.



thats a very dumb idea.
its not like it is the pvp corps that sit and make isk 24/7 but rather the carebears that do, if they cant handle a little war then you should go to your npc corp and sulk tbh.

little war makes men even out of some carebears.
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2011-09-15 07:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Written Word
Figure out all about datacores in less than 5 minutes. Worked pre-agent change too

Ironically, now there are more viable agents, you could compare all the LP items in your faction and figure out the best LP/ISK ratio. Now there is complexity that is worthwhile.
Jita Alt666
#40 - 2011-09-15 08:08:18 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
u get LP from incursions and some isk

we do need an isk sink in eve, which is why wardecs cost should be 10 times the current price.


Which is why Supercarriers need to be 10 times as easy to kill.
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