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Bring Level 5 Missions to Hi-Sec

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#61 - 2015-08-28 12:42:43 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :)


Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#62 - 2015-08-28 13:49:59 UTC
dont know, i dont really do pve for profit, i do it for fun mostly

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#63 - 2015-08-28 14:12:30 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :)


Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values?


What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#64 - 2015-08-28 14:58:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Estella Osoka wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :)


Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values?


What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW.


thats the problem with highsec carebears, the main concern for them is maxing everything, god forbid if another lvl 5 hub paid out more Shocked

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

MT Dinkle
SLUMERICA
#65 - 2015-08-28 15:21:11 UTC
i agree with bringing lvl 5s to highsec, but at a cost. That cost meaning you would need a fleet with logi and links with marauders and capitals. it sounds like im talking about incursions but i have never done them because of how hard it is to get going with a decent fleet. i also wish they would make lvl 3 and 4 harder to do. make 3's hard to do solo making you need to actually control aggro and bring a more solid ship and fitting. 4s should take a small fleet 2 or more depending on skills with maybe links and logi at a smaller scale. with that the isk, lp, salvage and loot should be balanced out as well. i love running missions more than anything on eve online. I really just like them because they are endless and i can do them on my schedule. i feel they should make new missions as well. i know we have burners now but those are extremely tough and dont understand why they limit the ships you can bring. honestly they made them to challenge us and to experience what pvp is a little i get that, but in pvp you can bring whatever ship you want(BS vs Frig). and after all of that bring carriers and dreds to highsec as-well, so i may experience flying them and being able to use them for missioning. thats my dream and suspect they may never do that. that is all. good post
Joshua Lonestar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#66 - 2015-08-28 15:23:33 UTC
As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income.


Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#67 - 2015-08-28 15:25:10 UTC
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income.


Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions.


why should they be moved when you can just move yourself?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Joshua Lonestar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-08-28 15:34:45 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income.


Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions.


why should they be moved when you can just move yourself?


I spelled it out very clearly. Go reread my post.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#69 - 2015-08-28 15:44:54 UTC
i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Joshua Lonestar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#70 - 2015-08-28 16:12:07 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves


The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions.

The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only.

LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen.

So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#71 - 2015-08-28 17:02:46 UTC
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves


The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions.

The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only.

LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen.

So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s.


Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went.

And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them.

One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour.

So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward.
Joshua Lonestar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2015-08-28 17:35:01 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves


The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions.

The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only.

LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen.

So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s.


Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went.

And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them.

One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour.

So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward.


Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them.

So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take.

The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#73 - 2015-08-28 21:34:11 UTC
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves


The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions.

The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only.

LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen.

So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s.


Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went.

And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them.

One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour.

So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward.


Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them.

So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take.

The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders.


Dude, just get out of your safezone and take some risks.
Joshua Lonestar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#74 - 2015-08-28 21:42:54 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves


The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions.

The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only.

LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen.

So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s.


Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went.

And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them.

One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour.

So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward.


Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them.

So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take.

The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders.


Dude, just get out of your safezone and take some risks.


Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#75 - 2015-08-28 22:04:28 UTC
Joshua Lonestar wrote:

Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist.


Incursion are not even feasibly comparable to L5s.

Everyone doesn't do sleeper sites in C5/6 WH, should those be moved to hisec? Going by your reasoning they should.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#76 - 2015-08-28 22:16:19 UTC
eh why not... just nerf the hell out of the LP payout. Might bring some decent balance to the tag market.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Dethlias
RCFNTDC
#77 - 2015-08-28 23:56:08 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Joshua Lonestar wrote:

Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist.


Incursion are not even feasibly comparable to L5s.

Everyone doesn't do sleeper sites in C5/6 WH, should those be moved to hisec? Going by your reasoning they should.


I stopped doing missions of any type and have lived in null and did all null profit including guristas missions so i have no stock in moving L5s to anywhere or even if they were removed. And my safezone is with dscan up.

That being said you are willfully ignorant of this guys argument. I suggest you re-read all his posts with your reading comprehension glasses on.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#78 - 2015-08-29 01:25:22 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Joshua Lonestar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves


The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions.

The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only.

LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen.

So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s.


Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went.

And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them.

One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour.

So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward.


Which NPC Faction/Empires gives you these LP/ISK ratio figures?

How long would it take you to run a Lev 5 with two Rattlers or two Paladins?

Is is worth it to loot/salvage lev 5s? If so, how good is the loot/salvage?


Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#79 - 2015-08-29 01:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
oops double post
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#80 - 2015-08-29 01:27:43 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :)


Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values?


What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW.


thats the problem with highsec carebears, the main concern for them is maxing everything, god forbid if another lvl 5 hub paid out more Shocked


LOL, yea you got me, I'M GREEDY!