EVE General Discussion

Valid parallel argument.

That too can be looked at, but I dont think it precludes changes to the extant Jump Fatigue mechanic.
If anything, together they can help restrict movement of such large craft across EVE, but especially as specific to Jump Freighters, in terms of deincentivizing moving so much material so far, rather than within local regions (the economicnimplications of which I elaborated on in my previous post).

The underlying impetus in CCPs new direction, is forcing localization and commitment of force at specific fronts (or in adjoining chained systems, preferably), to defend against potentially escalating aggression there. This is enacted by hampering the movement of large ships to respond elsewhere (ie: jump fatigue).

The fallout and eventual "final form" of all of this, is ot yet apparent, and is to my mind, despite the best theorycrafters in all MMOs combined prognosticating here, running through what translate as stages of typical psychological denial (Kübler-Ross model).

In aggregate, as there are so many individuals involved, I think we are currently running through stages Anger/Bargaining/Depression, depending on whom, at various %.

Anger is mostly passed in the Sov Feedback thread period, Bargaining isnhappening now on different specifics of the changes, Depression is inherently not overtly detectable, except in posting absence figures, as "depressed" people simply dont post due to apathy. Hopefully towards a final stage of Acceptance, for as many as possible, once theyve run through and overcome the others.

The model primarily deals with death of a relative superficially, but its core concern is adapting/coping with changes that you cannot reverse, such as none of us can against CCPs autonomous decisions, so it carries relevance here too.

CCP wants dispersed, dynamic and smaller fleet engamenents throughout sov, simultaneously at best.

This is the blueprint and fundamental bottomline against which to speculate, expect and act.

Or you could play in the many way the games offer that does not require the use of jump drives.

You could but this is a discussion about Jump Fatigue.

Limit??? I didn't say limit. Stop putting imaginary words in what I wrote.

Fine, have it your way. How would you change cynos then if the focus should be put on that?

To my reading and understanding of CCPs most recent goals, that is exactly the direction they are now taking and designing along.

Huge fleets engagements are being phases out in favor of dynamic, dispersed, simultaneous conflict between smaller fleets, with faster capture.

All of the stated dev goals support this deduction.

Its a huge change (arguably polar) in Sov conflict design philosophy.

I think a large part of sov occupants are not aware of that, and dont yet realize that CCP has essentially charted a completely new course to a different destination than they are (understandably) used to expecting it to sail towards. CCP is very clear in its new goals, but I dont think the enormity ofnhow different they are, and consequence has really sunk in for many yet.

They expected something else, on different presumptions, and have not yet realised that CCP plans are almost the exact opposite.

Its a good direction, imo, to hopefully turning Sov space into a place of constant and dispersed conflict between large coalitions, as well as their smaller neighbours, and between those too, without imminently arriving overbearing wuantity and quality of force being the single so dominant factor (aside from force composition, which certainly also can use looking into alongside this).

Huge fleet engagements may, and hopefully will, still occur, but not directly as a result of the mechanics themselves, rather than from player impetus/interests and resulting escalation of force in some specific systems and circumstances.

So there is that too still for "F1 monkeys" in huge fleets, and I dont say that badly, as I also understand that some players like that, and want it. A feeling of being part of a much larger effort, of a place in organisation, doing their part in something important, winning a war. Its easy to get elitist against that, but Im certainly in no position to do so, and am not. It may not be a fair comparison, but its a quite related to a WoW raid, where an FC/raid leader/GM calls the actions, and everyone else obeys, and the success is dependsnt on how well each monkey follows their orders. With a small military background, I appreciate the reward, efficacy and necessity of that all the more.

But. That can and does also happen in well run smaller fleets, and the potential for several FC intercommunication in larger campaigns crossing several systems, in parallel and laddered chains of command, (if mechanics can be made to work conducive to that) inspire a huge potential for Sov.

Imagine 2-X fleets, of various compositions and size, simultaneously aggressing in multiple systems under a unified laddered chain of command with officers interlocuting fleet resources in real time, along a planned grand strategy.
Imagine reserve forces held in key backup positions, ready to deploy, depending on gate/jump topography.
Imagine feints to force opponent commitment, whilst another fleet moves in elsewhere and capitalises.
Imagine the kind of fleet composition complication and specialisation this would enable.

All of this, and more, instead of the largely current "my fleet is bigger than yours"...

The potential is huge and extremely exciting, if it can be made to work.

Jump Freighters just happen to be relevant enough to catch a hit on a flank from these changes, and to my mind, for good and constructive reasons as detailed in my earlier post along the lines of forestalling ease of HS-NS market/resource exploitation and material transport, rather than local sourcing and commitment.

What actually killed the EvE Experience is capital ships. They never should have existed the way they did then nor the way they do now.

Battleships should have been where it stopped, or at the most the One Up Class that Frigates and Cruisers got in Destroyers and Battlecruisers, but also for Battleships.

Completely agree with this. It's about time capturing Pos'es also goes through the same iteration.

Id tell them:
-Use gates, if possible.
-Transit slow.
-Request an escort, if necessary.
-Do not accrue scaling fatigue unless ordered to for immediate needs.
-Live HERE (points at system), because we need you there to be ready to deploy to adjoining systems, as:
a) We are vulnerable in adjoining systems
or/and
b) We are staging an invasion to adjoining systems

And we all know how much they listen.