Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The most times you will get a wardec if you be a nice target or loose much ships, so if you play smart you won´t ge much wardecs. You also could make a chat with all active players and stay a while in a npc corp to annoy your enemies. Or scout the area move to a deadend system and play active. Just some ideas.

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Highsec has never been safer. Wars have never been more trivial to avoid. Ganking has never been less profitable.

Eve's greatest growth occurred during a time where predators had more advantages. Why only now, when the prey has never been safer, would they go extinct?


You are suggesting changes that go against the design of this sandbox PvP game. Eve's population numbers were the highest when highsec was much more dangerous, I see no reason why removing even more conflict from the game is going to improve things. You are getting resistance because you are selfishly asking for increased safety under the guise of a concern for the health of the game, a carebear ploy that has been going on since 2003.

The game has been designed based on risk vs. reward. There are problems with this balance, and of wardecs in general, but the basic intention is that you expose yourself to more risk, specifically the risk of a wardec, for the increased rewards of being in a player corp. If you do not wish to accept these risks in exchange for these rewards, the developers intend for you to remain or return to the NPC corp. There you are immune to wardecs, but forgo the additional rewards of being in a player corp.

This is why your suggesting does not sit well with players, and honestly why CCP won't implement them. This game is based on trade-offs and you are asking for all the benefits of a player corp with none of the downsides. I am sure wardecs can be reworked to function better, and I think there should be additional social tools for players who do not want the additional risk (or reward) of a player corp but still want a social experience, but those changes need to respect the risk vs. reward design of the game. Nerfing wardecs even more, which are already completely optional as you can drop corp anytime, is not a solution.

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The ability to evade isn't a combat advantage.

It's the bald admission that you won, a ceding the field before a fight even begins because they have no chance to win. That's the balance of the game--- Unless your play is focused exclusively on PvP then you are at a severe disadvantage in any PvP fight. It's intentional... those PvE activities exist to create soft targets for PvP pilots.

This is essentially correct. In many PvP games resource generation is generally given as a reward for making yourself a target or is something to fight over. This design allows players to disrupt each other sources of resources and stimulates conflict.

You act like this is some big revelation. CCP makes it clear that Eve is a full-time PvP sandbox game in the New Pilot FAQ so it makes sense that PvE would be used to provide targets for other players.

But you are only at a disadvantage while in ships specialized for gathering those resources. There is no reason you can't counter-attack or lay a trap in proper combat ships.

It's up to you though. You can play this PvP game as a prey item if you enjoy the thrill of evading the sharks, but you can also become one of those sharks, or even the fisherman and lay out some bait if you so decide. It is a sandbox after all so choose your niche.

However if you don't like a game where sharks can eat fish at all, you might be playing the wrong game.

It's not wrong except that in other PvP games, the resource generation is entirely optional, or else incidental to play. In EVE it's advertised as several viable careers in their own right, but that's not accurate---it's just different ways of paying to provide entertainment to others.

People keep saying "PvP" sandbox, but that's not what was advertised. Sandbox was advertised. Virtual world, build an empire, that sort of thing.

Sure we can run around and shoot eachother like it was battlefield, but we already have those games that fill that role far better than EVE ever will.

The issue is that EVE is sold almost like a 4X strategy, with a first person twist, but 3 of the 4 x's are just under developed window dressing. People get pulled into EVE all the time by the promise of a good game, and leave because they get beat to hell and then realize that all the depth of play that was advertised is a lie... it's just battlefield, except slower paced and with helpless targets to shoot.

OP see below I do have some things to share but first.

Adapt or get out of the game.
Adapt or get into a NPC.
Go fight in a war you have no chance to win.
Go fight in ships that have no chance of survival no matter how good you are.
And the list goes on.

It is so comforting to come here and see the same old crap being spewed forth by those who try to protect their rights to pick on a group of new players that has no realistic chance of fighting back. If you all want fights go to low and pick a fight, I can give you the names of several corps out there that would welcome you with open arms and fight you any time you want. I know you won't do that because at the core you are just as risk averse as the carebear newbies you love to war dec.

It is time for CCP to take a serious look at the entire WD mechanic since it is broken in so many ways I cannot even begin to count them. But it is likely they will not because in reality there is very little that can be done and the cries from one side or the other would be deafening even if they did.

Off the soap box and back to other thoughts.


Oh now you have gone and broke my heart and it is bleeding all over for you. NOT.
If you do not want to spend 3 billion a week on worthless war decs then go spend that 3 bil in low sec and find some real fights.
On the other hand if you choose to spend that 3 bil on worthless war decs then don't come here and complain about it.
Besides the simple fact that you CAN and WILL spend 3 bil a week on worthless war decs in high sec is all the indicator we need that they system is broken and is likely beyond repair.


To the OP.
If you are telling the truth and you and your corp have been under a constant series of WD then file a ticket with CCP. Doubtful you will get a favorable response from them since they seem to be hell bent on allowing this type of behavior but it can't hurt either since this type of activity does meet the OFFICIAL CCP definition of griefing.

I agree with the others, any corp that advertises that they are CODE compliant is one you should not be in. CODE in nothing more than organised extortion, and I am OK with that it is all part of the game but you do not need to be a victim of it when there are other options.

To fight or not is a personal choice, my only caution is to be careful if you do choose to fight, no I do not mean careful as in how you fly your ships I mean careful in who you choose to fight. About 50% of the time fighting back will only encourage the WD corp because you are giving them what they want cheap and easy kills to pad kill boards. In some cases you are adding to their profits because they get a bonus for every ship they kill.

I agree with others if you have no roles then dropping corp and moving into an NPC. You cannot be war decced in an NPC and even better you get to go out and do whatever you want and there is nothing the WD corp can do but get angry and come here and cry about how unfair it is. Doing this may increase your risk of being gankled though so some additional cautions are advised.

Take advantage of the easy access to jump clones and keep them located all over the EvE Universe. Every 24 hours jump to another random clone and then go out and about for about an hour then dock simply to torment that WD corp. Unlikely they will chase after you when you do this as it takes far to much effort for many of them, but you will run into a few dedicated players that relish the hunt so caution is advised.

In the end the others are correct. Currently CCP does not consider the use of the war dec mechanic in the way you describe to be harmful to the game and they have repeatedly stated that they have no plans to change it. So spread the word if / when you or any other new players quit, as part of your request to terminate your subscription you need to be extremely vocal about why you are leaving. It will not do you any good, and it may not do any good overall but maybe the mounting evidence would have an affect over time.

Today I learned that Mike still doesn't realize what game he is playing.

EVE has specifically been advertised as an open world, single shard PvP game. Nowhere did CCP ever give the impression that it is anything other than that.

Maybe this isn't the game for you.

And you claim the playerbase is terrible? wat? For newbies willing to listen and learn (which the OP has refused to do so far) EVE's playerbase is by far one of the most supportive and helpful of any game I have played. 99% of vets in EVE will give a few million isk to a newbie they just killed if that newbie asks questions, tries to improve and doesn't rage about it like you and the OP of this thread.



Showing up to EVE expecting to do nothing but enjoy PvE is like showing up at a Justin Beiber concert expecting to see Steve from Blue's Clues sing a song. It simply isn't what it was made for.

This is the nature of the game. Just get stuck in with some friends and cheap ships. Winning is less important than the learning experience. These won't be your last wardecs if you stick with the game so get learning now.

If that is the last thing you want to do and you just want to play with some friends without wardecs, then you can show support for the social Corp idea.

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Space is supposed to be vast, it would be nice to be able to move out of an area and 'hide' away from the war. It's too easy just to pay an agent to locate someone. My thought on this matter is to be able to pay the agents to look the other way so when someone tries to locate you the agent says 'nope pretty sure I don't know where he/she is' then they have to go out and look the old fashioned way. Would require getting a level 4 agent and paying isk for a block of time, 24 hours? That or move into WH space.

So the OP's corp, VoidCraft, has 1 active dec and has had 16 war decs since it was founded this last February.

I see you are not the CEO of the corporation in question. Have you spoken with your CEO regarding options for your corporation to deal with War Decs? If they seem content, you might want to look at changing corps as it could be your corp is a feeding trough for Care-Bear PvPers.

In fact, looking at the kill reports, you really might want to reconsider why you are in the current corporation you are in.

Which leads to this question: what do you want out of EVE?