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Pilot Disqualification from ATXIII for flying for multiple teams

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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-08-26 15:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Logibro
After running our checks to see whether pilots have been flying for multiple teams, we have identified one person that has flown for several teams. Under the rules for Alliance Tournament XIII, “As a player, you may only compete for a single alliance, regardless of how many player-accounts you own.”

As a result of breaching this rule, the pilot in question has been disqualified from Alliance Tournament XIII, and may no longer participate on either team with any characters they have access to. Subsequent breaches of this rule by this player will result in a permanent ban from the tournament.

In this instance we have not found evidence that either team has sanctioned this action, nor evidence that this is a widespread practice by either team. Additionally, teams do not have access to information that allows them to check whether a player controlling a particular character also has characters in another competing team. As such, we have decided to not take action against either team.

The characters in question and the teams they are participating on:

Joran Jackson – Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
Kip Redrum – Test Alliance Please Ignore

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Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-08-26 15:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Aladar Dangerface
Haha Busted

I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.

Aebe Amraen
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2015-08-26 15:47:02 UTC
Our sincere thanks for outing this spy. He will be summarily executed.

Regards,
Test Intelligence Agency
Dante Tsaronis
#4 - 2015-08-26 16:12:18 UTC
Normally I highly disagree with CCP helping to reveal spies, but under the circumstances...

Thank you very much, Logibro.
Bei ArtJay
Side Kicks
Unspoken Alliance.
#5 - 2015-08-26 16:22:17 UTC
As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.

It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
AgentHawk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-08-26 16:32:44 UTC
Bei ArtJay wrote:
As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.

It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.



yea he never told me about any alts anywhere else

that aside this is an alliance lvl rule, no anchor alts or playing both sides etc hes been hell purged from TEST services and in game already

your integrity has been severely blemished on a personal lvl with me and on the greater since you ran those small tournaments and such - with the help of CCP even

i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir!
Dante Tsaronis
#7 - 2015-08-26 16:38:46 UTC
Bei ArtJay wrote:
He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer.


That is a shame. We might've been okay with it if he had let his CEO, auth group admins, and AT captains know of his intentions; sadly, he was not as forthright with us as he was with you, and he has been permanently blacklisted from our alliance.

Bei ArtJay wrote:

TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.


He did seem to value his time here, but we were not aware he had any other loyalties. Obviously, given what I said above, he did not pass us intel about Footwork. Also all of our practices are public and advertised on eve-o; we have had a lot of successful scrimmages with other teams, but a few will just show up in covops and watch without participating. Oh, well.

Thanks to all of our practice partners, and we'll likely be organizing the same sort of open matches on SiSi this coming year, given the relative success.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2015-08-26 16:41:36 UTC
RIP

Bei ArtJay wrote:
He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.

Haha nice try Blink
Bei ArtJay
Side Kicks
Unspoken Alliance.
#9 - 2015-08-26 16:49:54 UTC
AgentHawk wrote:
Bei ArtJay wrote:
As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.

It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.



yea he never told me about any alts anywhere else

that aside this is an alliance lvl rule, no anchor alts or playing both sides etc hes been hell purged from TEST services and in game already

your integrity has been severely blemished on a personal lvl with me and on the greater since you ran those small tournaments and such - with the help of CCP even

i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir!


Meh fair enough. Explains why I can't mail you from eve-gate then if you have blocked me.

Was innocent ignorance on my part and I didn't get any benefit from it at all, I presume he kept his main's identity secret in order to play with you guys without breaking an alliance rule rather than for any malicious purpose - he has told me stories of how much fun he has in TEST and never gave me intel about what you guys get up to so it's your loss tbh. I feel bad for him and hope you can make an exception for him if he does want to re-join TEST in whatever capacity you would have him back.

To clarify - I'm a big tourney nerd and would never intentionally break a rule (of course I have only my word to back this up) in order to try and gain an advantage. The thought of getting banned from tourney play terrifies me! I keep the activities of my main on TQ very separate form my EVE_NT collides project in which I hold no other motives or loyalties to any particular group (including my own alliance) and pour dozens of man hours a month into it purely to generate more tourney content for the eve player-base and I really enjoyed working with you for Collides so it saddens me you think this has ruined my integrity.
Bei ArtJay
Side Kicks
Unspoken Alliance.
#10 - 2015-08-26 16:52:55 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
RIP

Bei ArtJay wrote:
He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.

Haha nice try Blink


Straight up, he didn't offer intel and i didn't ask for it. The condition for me being happy for him to split his time on both was that if we faced each-other he sat it out and didn't even join comms or communicate your intentions to me. He has been a loyal member of his corp which joined KICK a while ago for ages and is trusted by everyone so it was decided he could be trusted not to leak our setups to you.
AgentHawk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-08-26 17:00:40 UTC
Bei ArtJay wrote:
AgentHawk wrote:
Bei ArtJay wrote:
As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.

It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.



yea he never told me about any alts anywhere else

that aside this is an alliance lvl rule, no anchor alts or playing both sides etc hes been hell purged from TEST services and in game already

your integrity has been severely blemished on a personal lvl with me and on the greater since you ran those small tournaments and such - with the help of CCP even

i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir!


Meh fair enough. Explains why I can't mail you from eve-gate then if you have blocked me.



i dont have you blocked anywhere, i might have block unk characters from contacting me though because lol convo spams during a match is a thing

also it shouldnt sadden you, because this rule seems almost obvious and paramount to any tournament, eve or not, that its inclusion in a rule list is perfunctory....and also this being eve, there is some measure of doubt in your word...you at least realize this, how can we believe you that there was no intel passed eh? TEST being TEST, we expect spies v0v
Bei ArtJay
Side Kicks
Unspoken Alliance.
#12 - 2015-08-26 17:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bei ArtJay
AgentHawk wrote:
Bei ArtJay wrote:
AgentHawk wrote:
Bei ArtJay wrote:
As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.

It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.



yea he never told me about any alts anywhere else

that aside this is an alliance lvl rule, no anchor alts or playing both sides etc hes been hell purged from TEST services and in game already

your integrity has been severely blemished on a personal lvl with me and on the greater since you ran those small tournaments and such - with the help of CCP even

i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir!


Meh fair enough. Explains why I can't mail you from eve-gate then if you have blocked me.



i dont have you blocked anywhere, i might have block unk characters from contacting me though because lol convo spams during a match is a thing

also it shouldnt sadden you, because this rule seems almost obvious and paramount to any tournament, eve or not, that its inclusion in a rule list is perfunctory....and also this being eve, there is some measure of doubt in your word...you at least realize this, how can we believe you that there was no intel passed eh? TEST being TEST, we expect spies v0v


Just EVE gate being **** then.

Yup absolutely agree with you that there is no way for me to verify my claim that this was not an intentional move to undermine TEST. In retrospect it should have been a red flag to me that it would get him in trouble, I just wasn't in that frame of mind he brought it to me, I was happy that he wouldn't betray us so didn't think of it as something in a negative context that could be damaging to either side other than potentially losing 1 pilot if we faced which other which I figured both teams had the manpower for that not to be an issue. Never crossed my mind to check it as a rule violation, that's my bad, if its ****** up whatever credibility I did have, its a mistake I'll have to live with. Derpy derp derp instant regret. **** happens.
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-08-26 17:19:18 UTC
Cool, now enforce the collusion and A+B team rules.
Intana Kreis
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#14 - 2015-08-26 17:30:20 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:

Bei ArtJay wrote:
He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.

Haha nice try Blink


Free to believe what you want, but a spy would just fail to fly at the last minute for :reasons:.
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#15 - 2015-08-26 17:56:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Jackson
Holy **** I hop on reddit and I am one of the top stories. **** is surreal.

There was no malicious intent from my point at all as far as breaking tourney rules. I apologize to CCP and to the wider Eve Tournament community. Without a doubt I should have been certain on the rules, but I did discuss it with KICK captain Bei and was under the impression I could fly as long as it was not against each other. I promise it won't happen again, CCP, thanks for not banhammering me. If I wanted to keep it from CCP I would not have the same email and payment information on all my accounts. I hope that is enough reason for CCP to believe this was an innocent mistake and not malicious. I imagine it didn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out it was 1 person with multiple accounts.

This is my first year in the tournament and I loved every second, on both teams. Test bros I seriously love your alliance and I did make real friends there. I am a USTZ guy in an EU alliance, so I was just having fun where I could. I don't mind a burned alt. Hopefully there's no hard feelings, but it's Eve, so if there is, I get it. GL Saturday.
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2015-08-26 18:05:12 UTC
Can you find our spies for us too?
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2015-08-26 18:10:36 UTC
As Brave captain I'd just like to state for the record that I don't feel this had any effect on the result of our match with Footwork.

I write http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/

I post on reddit as /u/callduron.

Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2015-08-26 18:13:58 UTC
Shamis Orzoz wrote:
Can you find our spies for us too?


Gorski's main is in Nulli.

Callduron wrote:
As Brave captain I'd just like to state for the record that I don't feel this had any effect on the result of our match with Footwork.


ok thank you
phlatch
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-08-26 18:30:35 UTC
explains your sweet nose dive in the first match until samatra caught you @ 120.

Also inject some damn gallente skills
WASPY69
Xerum.
#20 - 2015-08-26 18:55:56 UTC
Hahaha

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