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C3 WH Amarr/Gallente Ship Pairing w/ Fits
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Aravias
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-01-02 04:53:58 UTC
As the title reads, what is a good pair of ships to run a C3 wormhole efficiently? One being an Amarr ship, the other being a Gallente ship. Please provide fittings, thanks.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#2 - 2012-01-02 05:06:28 UTC
Remote rep domi with sentries and a geddon with sentries

Domi:
Highs: 2 x L remote reps, 2 x L energy transfers, 2 x heavy neuts (your GTFO if tackled)
Mids: Heavy cap booster, MWD, cap rechargers
Lows: LAR, hardeners, DCU yadda yadda

Geddon
Highs: Bleen-bleen lazors, L remote rep, L energy transfer
Mids: Tracking comps, MWD, cap rechargers
Lows: LAR, DCU, EANM's, Sinks

Better yet, 2 x RR Domis

Just watch your drones and pull the sentries when they get targeted. Best fleet for any sleeper sites is 3 ships because then your drones will almost always be ignored. You need MWD to help with GTFOing from a gank, at least out of a HIC bubble.

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S0rn0
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-02 08:14:20 UTC
Alright we could try that out. Any other suggestions or are RR battleships the way to go?
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#4 - 2012-01-03 01:36:54 UTC
To be honest, drakes are the way to go. A T2 fitted drake will set you back bout 60-75M, which is less than the cost of an unfit BS hull. They tank like mofos and though the DPS isn't extreme, its good enough.

If you are stuck with Amarr and Gallente options then RR BS is the way to go. You can use Legions, Proteuseses, or a Sacrelige, but there is so much more ISK at risk I personally wouldn't advise it. Why risk 2Bn to do the same job a little faster than risking 120-150M?

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Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-03 02:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinaculus
Trinkets friend wrote:
To be honest, drakes are the way to go. A T2 fitted drake will set you back bout 60-75M, which is less than the cost of an unfit BS hull. They tank like mofos and though the DPS isn't extreme, its good enough.

If you are stuck with Amarr and Gallente options then RR BS is the way to go. You can use Legions, Proteuseses, or a Sacrelige, but there is so much more ISK at risk I personally wouldn't advise it. Why risk 2Bn to do the same job a little faster than risking 120-150M?


Because T3s are the best tool for the job.

Probe/Laser Legion + Salvage/Tractor Sentry Proteus will do WH sites way faster. Faster is better, because the longer you spend in the field the more likely something bad will happen to you. And the faster you finish the sites, the more money you make.

And having to move 2 battleships around wormhole space scares the crap out of me. Mass limits on holes and slow align times just spook me more than having a pimpy T3.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Aravias
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-01-03 03:44:36 UTC
Pinaculus wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
To be honest, drakes are the way to go. A T2 fitted drake will set you back bout 60-75M, which is less than the cost of an unfit BS hull. They tank like mofos and though the DPS isn't extreme, its good enough.

If you are stuck with Amarr and Gallente options then RR BS is the way to go. You can use Legions, Proteuseses, or a Sacrelige, but there is so much more ISK at risk I personally wouldn't advise it. Why risk 2Bn to do the same job a little faster than risking 120-150M?


Because T3s are the best tool for the job.

Probe/Laser Legion + Salvage/Tractor Sentry Proteus will do WH sites way faster. Faster is better, because the longer you spend in the field the more likely something bad will happen to you. And the faster you finish the sites, the more money you make.

And having to move 2 battleships around wormhole space scares the crap out of me. Mass limits on holes and slow align times just spook me more than having a pimpy T3.


For me, t3 is definitely out of the option. Not sure but S0rn0. Most likely, t3 isn't something reasonable atm. Any other suggestions? And to trinket, two drakes would work for c3s?
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#7 - 2012-01-03 09:08:36 UTC
One drake can do the easier sites, but you sloooow
Myrmidons can survive most sites, do have a little trouble with the double battleships spawns, but can be done with warping..

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Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-03 11:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinaculus
If T3s are unreasonable, then 2 drakes will easily clear C3 anoms. If the system penalties are vs. cap recharge then it will be hard, but otherwise it's just kind of slow. We fit a cap-transfer in one high-slot so whichever drake wasn't getting neuted could cap boost the drake that was. As long as you can keep your invulns on you can complete the sites. Takes about 20-30 minutes per site with mediocre skills.

I wouldn't even try Myrmidons, honestly. Shortish range on drones and a slow base speed will let the BS spawns kite you, and you'll go broke buying new drones because sleeper frigs eat them like candy.

Edit: Though this might have been in a C2. It's been a while. Pretty sure it was C3 though, because C2s are quite easy.

Edit2: Plan to lose lots of drones. If I were to try it again I'd probably just use 5 shield repair drones for quick tank boosting or 5 armor repair drones for post-battle touch ups.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Vile Coyote
Deep Space Legacy
#9 - 2012-01-03 12:31:01 UTC
Pinaculus wrote:
If T3s are unreasonable, then 2 drakes will easily clear C3 anoms. If the system penalties are vs. cap recharge then it will be hard, but otherwise it's just kind of slow.


This really. If Proteus and Legion are out of order, your best bet is cross-training. If you plan to do a lot of WH, the Drake is one of the best investment you can make.
Even though you should be cautious as sites with multiple BS will pressure your tank if the aggro stays on the same char for too long.

About drones, it seems the sleepers will very seldom switch to them if the players keep "building aggro". I know this is not Wow, but we've cleared sites without losing a single Hobgob in a spider configuration : as everybody was both pewpewing and repairing, the sleepers did not seem to care for the drones. YMMV.
I don't know if spider-tankig is actually a good idea with myrmidons, we only used it with drakes to adapt to our WH bonuses.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-01-03 14:36:14 UTC
[Dominix, Dominix C3 RR]

Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Quad LiF Fueled Booster Rockets
Target Painter II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution

Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5


Two of these will rep 900 omni dps until downtime/Niburu/wife aggro, laugh at sleeper neuting, can kill near and far and have the means to deal with bombers and other wspace pests. You can get away in C3s with much less tank, so adjust to taste (maybe web/tackle on the other, maybe a set of heavies), but this fit is sleeper harvesting in easy-mode.

Sleepers don't target the drones when the cap+rep chain is on.

Any roaming gang that can kill these Domis can also kill any pimped T3 duo you can imagine, and the Dominix is cheap even for a T1 battleship.

Gallente battleship, best RR battleship

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#11 - 2012-01-03 15:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
I can give you a detailed answer based on experience as soon as you mention if it is "your" wormhole or ninja ops. And if it is your WH, what effect?

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S0rn0
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-04 02:05:52 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
I can give you a detailed answer based on experience as soon as you mention if it is "your" wormhole or ninja ops. And if it is your WH, what effect?



Ninja ops