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[Hydrostatic] Reward for the return of Empress Jamyl I's body
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Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2015-08-25 01:29:54 UTC
The Praetoria, and I'm sure any other faithful, share the concerns stated here for the proper treatment of the Her Highness, Empress Jamyl I's remains.

We also believe that anyone with a shred of dignity or concern for the well-being of the cluster, promptly return her remains to the Amarrian authorities without need for reward. Should the person in possession of the Empress' remains have concerns for their safety, they may also contact me and I will arrange for her safe return and ensure the anonymity of the pilot or corporation involved.

If the person currently in possession of the Empress' remains wish to take up the offer stated here for a reward, I would suggest that this coalition allow Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris to oversee any 'scientific' identifying or scanning of the Empress. We would of course suggest that any attempts to identify the Empress or study her remains be left to Amarrian authorities, however should the scientists insist on identifying the Empress themselves before handing her over, we would ensure that no attempts to interfere with Her Majesty were made.

Remember that anyone who currently holds the Empress' body, what you do at this juncture will show the cluster, and God, what type of person you truly are.

Admiral Ascentior,
Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris,
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Jayn
Doomheim
#42 - 2015-08-25 02:08:37 UTC
Dont be fooled! These 'researchers' simply wish to have the corpse for their own personal trophy case.

Sell Jamyl's corpse to me for 10 billion and I will place it inside her own personal tomb container with lots of cigarettes, liquor, and counterfeit credits to pay her way into hell.

On special occasions I shall bring her corpse out and do strange things to it. From what I understand, she is a very dirty little girl and needs my guiding hands upon her. I am beginning plans to build a coffin sized microwave so that I can warm her up a bit before those very special occasions. And I will be sure to eject her into space after the fun is over so that she may refreeze and last a lifetime of uplifting excitement.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#43 - 2015-08-25 02:10:10 UTC
Jayn wrote:
Sell Jamyl's corpse to me for 10 billion

Fifteen billion here.

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#44 - 2015-08-25 02:17:49 UTC
If you want to compete with Entity, you're going to have to dig a little bit deeper than that.
Vlad Draculesti
M4gnum P.I.
#45 - 2015-08-25 02:22:24 UTC
Tho i would very much like an investigation into her corpse.... I have heard rumors from other capsuleer's that the Drifter's first destroyed her ship,then her capsule then her corpse before they escaped.

Look here for a video feed that confirms 3 shots fired from the Drifters. One for the titan, one for the capsule, one for the corpse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZuDpo7m0M

This fit's in with the Drifter's learning behavior. They knew we recovered a previous corpse for examination and attempted to intervene. This time they went out of their way to prevent us from doing so again.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#46 - 2015-08-25 02:31:39 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
If you want to compete with Entity, you're going to have to dig a little bit deeper than that.

It's cool, not even my money.

I can try to dig deeper into Boss's pockets, but her suit is pretty tight. Could get a lil awkward.

Who's Entity? Some Empire person?

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Tony-Vagabond Carter
Chrysos Aigis
#47 - 2015-08-25 04:47:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tony-Vagabond Carter
You know, from a strictly economic standpoint it never benefits to pay a ransom. Even a ransom on a meat-cicle ( no disrespect intended) is paying more that the actual value of the good. Such an action devalues your chosen token of trade.

Rather than bid on a good that may not even exist, if indeed the Drifters atomized the corpse, it is more valuable to show those that hold the good that doing so incurs a greater cost to them.

If I refuse to sell you a pie, for the sake of my beliefs or yours.. who really loses out here? Me. I will have lost a sale and possibly future sales, and you will just go to another pie-maker!
Arrendis
TK Corp
#48 - 2015-08-25 04:50:53 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Who's Entity? Some Empire person?


He's a collector. By and large, if it exists, he probably has one. Including what I believe are the last surviving Armageddon Imperial Edition, Megathron Federate Issue, Raven State Issue, and Tempest Tribal Issue hulls in existence.

Put bluntly, if it comes to a bidding war between Entity and the Amarr Empire.. the Empire may lose.
Trenmir Bedala
Bedala Salvage
#49 - 2015-08-25 05:18:43 UTC
You really want find body?

Adopt tactic of gate camp and customs... Scan ship at gates. Surprising what findthat way.
Drake Arson
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#50 - 2015-08-25 07:33:15 UTC
Do you Truly Wish for a Neutral party? Then I am your Pilot.

For a Substantial piece of Wealth, I will take hold of the sadly deceased Empress and return her remains directly too the proper Amarrian Authorities.




Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#51 - 2015-08-25 07:34:00 UTC
Ascentior wrote:
The Praetoria, and I'm sure any other faithful, share the concerns stated here for the proper treatment of the Her Highness, Empress Jamyl I's remains.

We also believe that anyone with a shred of dignity or concern for the well-being of the cluster, promptly return her remains to the Amarrian authorities without need for reward. Should the person in possession of the Empress' remains have concerns for their safety, they may also contact me and I will arrange for her safe return and ensure the anonymity of the pilot or corporation involved.

If the person currently in possession of the Empress' remains wish to take up the offer stated here for a reward, I would suggest that this coalition allow Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris to oversee any 'scientific' identifying or scanning of the Empress. We would of course suggest that any attempts to identify the Empress or study her remains be left to Amarrian authorities, however should the scientists insist on identifying the Empress themselves before handing her over, we would ensure that no attempts to interfere with Her Majesty were made.

Remember that anyone who currently holds the Empress' body, what you do at this juncture will show the cluster, and God, what type of person you truly are.

Admiral Ascentior,
Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris,
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy


I truly appreciate your stance. We are most happy to have PIE representatives overseeing the procedure, I will contact you ASAP in the event that we are contracted the remains. We will use the most respectful ways possible to positively identify the remains (we already have received one false claim), and contract it to Ascentior for proper burial.

What we cannot afford is to allow an entity like SoTC or CONCORD to seize control of the remains. As we learned with the late Tukoss, they do not necessarily have our, or the late Empress', best interests in mind.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2015-08-25 08:18:19 UTC
Phyridean wrote:
Lyn, I simply believe that capsuleers are in a better position to negotiate with other capsuleers, as we're quite certain the Empress's remains are currently in empyrean hands. I know many of them might be hesitant to work directly with the Empire or CONCORD, given what happened with Dr. Tukoss.

So we'd like to be a neutral third party in returning the Empress to the Empire. I'm personally also hoping to secure permission for these scans, honestly, because the Drifter threat scares me.


Well yes, I understand the reasoning for the corpse acquisition, but for the scan...?

Arrendis wrote:
Candi LeMew wrote:
Who's Entity? Some Empire person?


He's a collector. By and large, if it exists, he probably has one. Including what I believe are the last surviving Armageddon Imperial Edition, Megathron Federate Issue, Raven State Issue, and Tempest Tribal Issue hulls in existence.

Put bluntly, if it comes to a bidding war between Entity and the Amarr Empire.. the Empire may lose.


Respectfully, I do not think you have any real idead of what kind of pocket change capsuleers have in comparison to a stellar high security empire...
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#53 - 2015-08-25 08:23:33 UTC
Drake Arson wrote:
Do you Truly Wish for a Neutral party? Then I am your Pilot.

For a Substantial piece of Wealth, I will take hold of the sadly deceased Empress and return her remains directly too the proper Amarrian Authorities.


No Sansha loyalist such as you shall ever be allowed to even look upon Her Holiness's remains.
Anslo
Scope Works
#54 - 2015-08-25 11:19:54 UTC
Show what kind or person you are. Hah. Guilt trip to give the body for free. Dumb. IF the body is scanned and verified I will add to the pit too.

And Lyn. Entity can and will outbid any Empire offer. And honestly I would trust Entity more to make good on his offer. The Empire would probably not pay out once they got the corpse just to spite the "sinner."

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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2015-08-25 11:45:14 UTC
Phyridean wrote:
Luna, I understand your concern, and I share your wish that the Empress be treated with respect. I believe the highest respect we can pay her is to figure out more about what it was that killed her, and work to prevent such things from happening in the future to those she sought to protect.

With all due respect, Milord, any investigations, scanning and even confirming that the body would belong to Her, should be performed by the Holy Family of the Emperors and nobody else.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2015-08-25 13:27:55 UTC
Anslo wrote:

And Lyn. Entity can and will outbid any Empire offer. And honestly I would trust Entity more to make good on his offer. The Empire would probably not pay out once they got the corpse just to spite the "sinner."


Err... I highly doubt that. Trillions or even more, that is a drop in a bucket compared to the net product of any empire I think... Not that they seem to even disclose it but well. That seems evident to me.
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#57 - 2015-08-25 15:31:43 UTC
The primary reason for the scans is because to have this much ISK put forward, I owe it to the investors to ensure that the remains we receive is in not counterfeit.

Again I am deeply sorry for any trouble this causes, but it is still better then the alternatives.

If the current holder of her remains is not motivated by wealth, and is loyal to the faith, I encourage them to hand the remains over to Ascentior. However, given that this has not happened yet, we are still committed to finding the correct enticement to motivate the unknown person.

As for if the body is already lost: Hydrostatic specialized in the forefront of better understanding our universe. This is not the first high reward we have offered for things we feel need to happen for the advancement of all. All oh my information shows that the shots from the recording was the capsule, and not the remains. Bottom line is, if the remains exist, and we believe they do, we are committed to doing whatever we can to see the safe return of her holiness to the faithful.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#58 - 2015-08-25 16:56:53 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Respectfully, I do not think you have any real idead of what kind of pocket change capsuleers have in comparison to a stellar high security empire...


Respectfully, empires, highsec or otherwise, usually tend to have the vast majority of their assets in the form of assets - and actual spending is budgeted in advance. The idea of simply coming up with a few trillion liquid? Not something a bureaucracy shakes out quickly. And if it did, that's spending not being put into the military (as the Drifters attack), or infrastructure, or education, or any of the myriad financial needs an Empire has.

Overall assets? Of course the Empire has more.

Ability to quickly produce inconceivable sums of ready cash without utterly crippling ongoing operations? My money's on Entity.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2015-08-25 18:44:08 UTC
Well you are right in terms of budgets of course...

But we are speaking about hundred of trillions inhabitants. 20 trillions (let's say 10 without the slaves) for the Amarr Empire alone. The amount of money it generates is completely out of order.

No matter what investments and assets there is instead of pure capitals, they will have funds in banks, stored capitals busy making money on regional and international markets. And trillions of isk to my eyes in that context, is pocket change.

Of course, I would be glad to have more numbers on that. I have not witnessed a lot of studies on the matter, which is a shame...
Arrendis
TK Corp
#60 - 2015-08-25 21:42:03 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
No matter what investments and assets there is instead of pure capitals, they will have funds in banks, stored capitals busy making money on regional and international markets. And trillions of isk to my eyes in that context, is pocket change.


Which are all privately held funds. The Empire could, of course, ask for donations, but to simple seize them and commandeer the assets would be a bit much, don't you think? If you're looking at the actual government having those funds - again, convince a bureaucracy the size of the Empire to shake the tree in a rapid manner.

Doesn't happen.