EVE New Citizens Q&A

So today I also had a real rough handful of encounters with a station camp in Jita and a gate camp in Highsec between Jita and my FW base which I thought was off the path of heavy traffic. This is an aspect of FW I wasn't really prepared for, but I tried a few things to get around it.

Despite trying to use the techniques deacribed by you guys, my instant warp undock bookmark didn't work. I guess it's fairly common to get 'bumped' upon exiting Jita, which throws you out of alignment just enough to make your warp out take forever to activate. It only costs me a destroyer this time, but I could see how it might be expensive down the road.

How do you deal wirh this situation?

Several people in chat suggested using a neutral alt to ship goods oit of Jita using a contract to transfer back and forth. That seems useful for gettng items to a new base of operations and for selling off loot gained from LP. Another person suggested I avoid Jita altogether. I tried movie to dodixie since its near an entrance to the FW lowsec systems. But.....turns out the NPCs don't le the side of the war I'm on. Im safe enough while docked, but i don't think I'd want to try moving anything slow through enemy Highsec. Plus all the enemy pilots too.....

I'm starting to see why neutrals want to avoid the hassle of FW, but I'm also starting to think this just might be part of the cost of business. I'd welcome any advice on how to streamline things a bit.

I'll give it a try. Honestly the only reason I go to jita is because I didn't know where else, besides the other major trade hubs, to buy/sell supplies. Before getting myself into this whole PVP/FW thing I was a pretty massive carebear that hadn't played for a few years. Highsec only, no exceptions.

That's one of the main reasons I started this thread: To try and learn as much as possible and get insight beyond what I could learn on my own.

EDIT: Ooog.....yeah. Ichoriya buys things for half as much, and sells things for 2-3 times as much. Not the best option in the long run. Guess I'm going to have to mess around with an alt to haul and buy/sell.

Find the closest high sec station to your staging system. Move your stuff from 0.0/Low Sec into that station. Use Red Frog Freight to courier your loot to Jita. Time that you do not spend hauling your own stuff is time well spent. Plus, it is insured. Use the time you save to do something more fun or more lucrative.

Then you have a couple of options:

You can set a jump clone in Jita. Use this for buying and selling your stuff.
You can set up a Jita alt. Use this for buying and selling your stuff.

Use courier contracts to Red Frog Freight to move your new stuff from Jita to your closest high sec station. Transport it from there to your staging system.

You will always get people telling you how you should be playing the game, often in local and sometimes in colourful language. They will smacktalk you cos you don't solo / you blob / you use EWAR / you use stabs / etc. All they are trying to do is goad you into fighting the way it suits them.

Don't be drawn. In every encounter, you want to try as hard as possible to make sure that things play out to YOUR advanatge. And if that means running away, do it.

Knowing which fights to take and which fights to avoid is what separates a good combat pilot from a gutter brawler.

Scenario:
I'm flying around and see an Incursus in a plex on dscan. I'm in an Atron so it may be rough but I want to give it a go. There are quite a few people in system so I'm not sure if it's an old or new player. I scout the rest of the system to make sure there isn't anything too threatening. I start thinking about my strategy. I should probably scram-kite to take advantage of my falloff bonus. Unless it's rails and then I better get in close. I load null for the former and make a mental note to check the weapon system when I warp in. Set my default "orbit" to 1000m in case he has rails and "keep at range" to 7500 in case he has blasters. Overheat afterburner in case I have trouble getting to desired range. Overheat my AAR and make sure it is set to auto-reload off. Overheat my scram so I can grab the tackle. Drop my dscan range to 1 AU to watch for incomming baddies.

I'm ready to go! Warp to the plex at 10 so I don't get stuck on the gate. Activate gate, heart is racing.......land inside the plex. He's at 20 km. Must be kite fit. Start burning toward him.....scram! web! guns!

Incursus warps off and docks up.

Rinse. Repeat.

This is why "pirates" get frustrated with farmers. It could be a decked out incursus with a veteran pilot in there waiting to give you a really good fight...or it could be someone's alt who is afk farming and doesn't care that they and their compatriots are littering the battlefield with apathy and wasting your time (and sec status). You will come to understand this frustration well when you are looking for fights yourself.

Try and disabuse yourself of the negative connotation of the word "pirate". People go to FW for fights. That's what it is for. There is nothing wrong with people hunting and killing you in low sec. It is expected and intended. "Pirate" simply means this particular individual is not participating in faction warfare.

All that said, there is a big difference between a vet player who makes a FW alt to afk farm while they fly blingy ships on their main and a newbro who really needs the money to participate in FW. EVE is all about picking your battles so don't let people pressure you into a fight you don't want. Do what you need to do and in due time you will be actively defending your plexes.

Just don't fall into the trap of thinking you need 'x' amount of SP or 'y' amount of ISK before you can PVP. A clever newbro can win a fight in a ship worth 1m isk with a little creativity. And if you have a few friends it's even easier. However, you can expect plenty of losses at the beginning. After all, you are still learning what all the different ships are and what they are capable of, which is something that takes lots of time and practice. So keep it cheap, but go out there and try it, because you can't learn without trying.

Knowing that there's a very good chance it'll be a farmer because it's at a FW complex, doesn't it just become a cost of doing business at that point?

Coming from a 'newbro' perspective, it seems to me that the point of FW is to take over the systems, improve the tier of your side so you can make more ISK. Fights are a bonus if you win, and a danger of operating in the area no different from anywhere else in the galaxy. I can see how it might be frustrating to someone who's ONLY looking to get in fights, but it's just as frustrating to get constantly chased around nullsec when I'm trying to complete FW sites. It seems like a back and forth that's evenly balanced to me.

There's multiple sides to every story. But I think I do understand where they're coming from, even if I don't agree with it.

EDIT: I call them pirates because their security status is very low. Honestly, it's the neutrals with positive security status that worry me the most, because I don't have any hint as to what they might be doing.

How is it different from nulsec? Again, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything. I've never been much for 0.0, so I'd like to know the difference.





I don't see how anyone could possibly pull off really being AFK while running complexes. As I mentioned before, I see 2-6 neutral players in almost every system in FW. I have to spend quite some time bouncing back and forth between systems and complexes, dodging attacks. I have to almost constantly keep an eye on the Dscan and local chat to avoid getting murdered. As I mentioned before, it's been very good practice on how to avoid different types of gank attempts, and I don't always get away even then. It seems to me that an AFK player would get, as the kids these days say: Rekt.

I agree it might be a little more interesting if there was more than just running plexes all day. Maybe some bigger events like incursions or something. Giant roaming fleets of NPCs that could actually pose a threat to pilots. Possibly remove the acceleration gates to make it more likely for a fight to occur(although that seems like it would give a huge advantage to the ganker)? I don't know, I'm not really a game designer.

My point, however, was that if it's common knowledge the the FW sites are just farm-bait, why do people stick around so much and not move to somewhere where it's more likely to get fights? You mentioned sov, for example. Or is there no better place to roam and look for trouble than FW lowsec?

Let's see how many I can list off the top of my head:
Nullsec has bubbles so you can't evac your assets if the station gets captured compared to lowsec where a neutral JF alt can just skeedaddle away with all your stuff tp the next staging system/highsec system.

If the nullsec boys are feel like it they can hellcamp the station for weeks on end and then deadzone the station(is this still a thing in fozzie sov?) while in lowsec you can just jump out of system in your JF alt/Friend in a JF at any time you want barring them station camping you that is easily solved since you'll have access to it via neutrals.

For your second question, if you know the area real well you can actually afk plex for 10 hours straight without anyone bothering to show up barring the odd explorer. Trust me it has happened to me more than once that it was actually boring. Extra bonus round I made an alt and sat it in a medium just outside of the plex cap range(so it doesn't close) and afk'd for 9 hours and he was still alive.

Also please don't even mention roaming NPC fleets that's just bad game design since FW is more or less for the players. Removing accel gates from plexes and you'll see everyone just flies in t3d's and other delightful goodies and lands on your ass without you ever knowing it since the plex gate gives you a 10 secondish early warning of danger.

For your last paragraph people stick around FW because it makes us tremendous amounts of ISK for little work. You might even get a bonus fight that nets you LP+loot+killmail and more or less you see everyone fly frigs up to cruisers so people can easily replace them.

Booster alta? How does that work?

And what's that about not wanting to lose security status? I've been attacked just as much by peoe with positive stats as by negative. As I mentioned above, they're the most dangerous because there's no hint to their intentions.



Don't nulsec sov corps store things on Highsec alts also? I know I would have that as a backup if I ever did nulsec.



Sorry, I learn pretty fast and pick up jargon without thinking, but you lost me with this. What does that mean in layman's terms?



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I guess my experience has just been different so far. Sure, I've found some quiet system that I was able to run plexes in. But even in those someone usually shows up to check me out, making me have to dodge around for awhile. The longest I think I've gone was maybe a half hour before someone tried to attack me. Maybe traffic in nulsec has gone up?

But I see your point. Even as a new pilot I can see the cost of losing a ship while running plexes is nothing compared to what you're making. Maybe the risk vs reward needs adjusting somehow?



Sorry, like I said, I'm not a game designer. But in response to your second sentence, wouldn't that scenario promote figjts? People already station and hate camp in insta-lock ships(Loki and Proteus seem to be the most common). How would this be different? It would make it a lot harder for new pilots to solo like I'm doing now. It seems like fleets would become more common for safety. But wouldn't figjts become more common without the gate giving an almost free choice to fight or not?




This part confuses me, since it seems to be almost exclusively neutral players trying to attack. They don't get LP do they?


*BTW sorry for weird format errors. On my phone.

Boosters(Links) well, boost your ships performance in combat. Not to be confused with Combat Boosters(Drugs).



https://www.themittani.com/news/destroying-outposts-workaround
https://www.themittani.com/news/n3-staging-system-0-w778-deadzoned-cfc

This two links work best. TL;DR they locked out over years worth of assets from solar fleet for YEARS and NONE could dock in said station or take it until now.

Other people should be able to answer your other question.