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repping our own ship with shield and armor rep drones...
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Renfus
Dread Fleet
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#1 - 2015-08-23 07:37:12 UTC
After all these years why can't we rep our own ships with shield and armor rep drones yet???
I mean we should be technologically advanced enough to tell or drones to repair our own ship right???

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Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-08-23 08:24:20 UTC
I don't want to say legacy code.... But legacy code.

Also it's just an artifact of not being able to lock your own ship and give an attack command to yourself.

+1 for opening up that option. Preferably with an overhaul of the drone control system and interface. As well as t2 ewar drones and stacking penalties removed from SW, SD and TD drones. TP drones are fundamentally unable to be balanced without some crazy brain in a box stuff.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#3 - 2015-08-23 09:21:57 UTC
Also, lets think of how much rep power you can get out of a logistics cruiser with their bonused rep drones and high base resists gets from this.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#4 - 2015-08-23 09:31:23 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Also, lets think of how much rep power you can get out of a logistics cruiser with their bonused rep drones and high base resists gets from this.

Less rep power than you can by repping someone else with your remote reps and drones? So..... what's the issue?
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#5 - 2015-08-23 10:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Less rep power than you can by repping someone else with your remote reps and drones? So..... what's the issue?


I dont like them either. Cap free + fitting free local large armour reps that can insta deploy/scoop.

Similar to the reason i dont like sentries that follow the ship.

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Renfus
Dread Fleet
Drop Imminent
#6 - 2015-08-23 10:37:34 UTC
They don't have to make it so you can target yourself.
Just add it to the drop down drone command menu..
Just like when you tell them to guard someone in your fleet, except it could say "repair my ship" or something like that..
salvage drones don't have attack commands..
You tell them to salvage..
And to be honest it wouldn't hurt to make it so repping someone not to be considered aggression..
Hate to get concorded trying to help someone lol

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Renfus
Dread Fleet
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#7 - 2015-08-23 10:41:46 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Less rep power than you can by repping someone else with your remote reps and drones? So..... what's the issue?


I dont like them either. Cap free + fitting free local large armour reps that can insta deploy/scoop.

Similar to the reason i dont like sentries that follow the ship.


I understand but not being able to tell your rep drones to rep your ship just doesn't make sense at all...
And I agree with you on the sentries ...

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Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-08-23 10:47:07 UTC
Renfus wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Less rep power than you can by repping someone else with your remote reps and drones? So..... what's the issue?


I dont like them either. Cap free + fitting free local large armour reps that can insta deploy/scoop.

Similar to the reason i dont like sentries that follow the ship.


I understand but not being able to tell your rep drones to rep your ship just doesn't make sense at all...
And I agree with you on the sentries ...


As much as I agree that it doesn't make sense it would bring about a whole slew of balance problems the day that rep drones can repair their own ship.

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Renfus
Dread Fleet
Drop Imminent
#9 - 2015-08-23 10:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Renfus
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Renfus wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Less rep power than you can by repping someone else with your remote reps and drones? So..... what's the issue?


I dont like them either. Cap free + fitting free local large armour reps that can insta deploy/scoop.

Similar to the reason i dont like sentries that follow the ship.


I understand but not being able to tell your rep drones to rep your ship just doesn't make sense at all...
And I agree with you on the sentries ...


As much as I agree that it doesn't make sense it would bring about a whole slew of balance problems the day that rep drones can repair their own ship.


Would it really be that big of a deal...
You and a buddy can use drones to rep each other now...
Making it so you can use them to rep your self doesn't seem that game breaking to me.
And it's kind of balanced because your swapping out dps drones for defence...

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#10 - 2015-08-23 11:54:58 UTC
rep drones are not that powerful, so yeah this idea would be useful to some, probably mission runners etc mostly....those that do pve more so than combat pvp.

+1
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#11 - 2015-08-23 12:25:51 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
rep drones are not that powerful, so yeah this idea would be useful to some, probably mission runners etc mostly....those that do pve more so than combat pvp.

+1


An oneiros can tank 500dps on its own with this idea. no need for a buddy.

Yes thats a big deal in gang PvP.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2015-08-23 14:25:27 UTC
Renfus wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Less rep power than you can by repping someone else with your remote reps and drones? So..... what's the issue?


I dont like them either. Cap free + fitting free local large armour reps that can insta deploy/scoop.

Similar to the reason i dont like sentries that follow the ship.


I understand but not being able to tell your rep drones to rep your ship just doesn't make sense at all...
And I agree with you on the sentries ...

Explosion velocities measured in hundreds of meters per second instead of hundreds of thousands of meters per second.
Ships that bank when they turn.
Projectile ammunition that instantly hits a target that is 75,000km away.
Maximum ranges on projectile ammunition.
Missiles that have a maximum flight speed.
None of these make sense and there are hundreds of others that could be added to the list but this is EvE not real life and a great many things are done for game balance even though they do not make much sense, so why should your ability to rep yourself with drones be any different.

While the thought of having my drones rep my own ship is appealing in the end I have to say -1 because it would quickly give rise to the next OP ship of the month.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-08-23 16:30:34 UTC
Not that I advocate doing it or having it be possible if it weren't already, but what about assigning your logi drones to a friendly on-grid? Does the game currently support them using those drones to rep you?

*I don't even know if you can assign logi drones, I've never tried to assign drones period.

Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#14 - 2015-08-23 18:47:06 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
rep drones are not that powerful, so yeah this idea would be useful to some, probably mission runners etc mostly....those that do pve more so than combat pvp.

+1


An oneiros can tank 500dps on its own with this idea. no need for a buddy.

Yes thats a big deal in gang PvP.


Except you can you know....shoot the drones? Granted this probably wont be implemented, but logi drones are squishy, and realistically this would impact solo play far more then gang fighting because this only increases self rep. It would also give the player an interesting choice of do i increase my tank or dps rather then just having a flight of light drones out. But really, just shoot the drones and the self tank goes away.

And if you are worried about a drone boat using these, then they arn't shooting you with their bonused drones, which means its just buying time.

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Renfus
Dread Fleet
Drop Imminent
#15 - 2015-08-23 19:28:42 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
rep drones are not that powerful, so yeah this idea would be useful to some, probably mission runners etc mostly....those that do pve more so than combat pvp.

+1


An oneiros can tank 500dps on its own with this idea. no need for a buddy.

Yes thats a big deal in gang PvP.


Except you can you know....shoot the drones? Granted this probably wont be implemented, but logi drones are squishy, and realistically this would impact solo play far more then gang fighting because this only increases self rep. It would also give the player an interesting choice of do i increase my tank or dps rather then just having a flight of light drones out. But really, just shoot the drones and the self tank goes away.

And if you are worried about a drone boat using these, then they arn't shooting you with their bonused drones, which means its just buying time.


Exactly!! The only person it would really benefit are solo mission runners...
It wouldn't be much use in PvP to be honest..

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-08-23 20:16:58 UTC
OP doesn't like drone oriented ships. Having 5 own drones orbiting you makes your ship dpsless.

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Capt M0RGAN
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-08-23 20:44:21 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
OP doesn't like drone oriented ships. Having 5 own drones orbiting you makes your ship dpsless.



Well there's always exceptions..
A Drone ship would have to choose dps or deference...
BUT the way i see it you should have the option available...

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#18 - 2015-08-23 22:50:29 UTC
Renfus wrote:
Hopelesshobo wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
rep drones are not that powerful, so yeah this idea would be useful to some, probably mission runners etc mostly....those that do pve more so than combat pvp.

+1


An oneiros can tank 500dps on its own with this idea. no need for a buddy.

Yes thats a big deal in gang PvP.


Except you can you know....shoot the drones? Granted this probably wont be implemented, but logi drones are squishy, and realistically this would impact solo play far more then gang fighting because this only increases self rep. It would also give the player an interesting choice of do i increase my tank or dps rather then just having a flight of light drones out. But really, just shoot the drones and the self tank goes away.

And if you are worried about a drone boat using these, then they arn't shooting you with their bonused drones, which means its just buying time.


Exactly!! The only person it would really benefit are solo mission runners...
It wouldn't be much use in PvP to be honest..



You guys arent getting it. Small gangs may have just two or only one logi. This adds more than a little tank to those logi.

'shoot the drones' says it all. Logi drones arent squishy when they are within scoop range of their owner. They arent squishy when you try to shoot them from 70km away. They aren't squishy when their owner cant be tracked by guns that actually shoot 70km. They cannot be neuted like logi or local reps. They cannot be damped like logi. And if you want to ECM them, you have to use one jam per drone.

Its a massive buff to small gang logi and as a fw logi pilot id benefit from this way more than any mission runner.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-08-23 23:02:03 UTC
Capt M0RGAN wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
OP doesn't like drone oriented ships. Having 5 own drones orbiting you makes your ship dpsless.



Well there's always exceptions..
A Drone ship would have to choose dps or deference...
BUT the way i see it you should have the option available...



I could fit turrets on my Dommi and rep myself ... What a dream! But meh.

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Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#20 - 2015-08-24 01:43:01 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:

You guys arent getting it. Small gangs may have just two or only one logi. This adds more than a little tank to those logi.

'shoot the drones' says it all. Logi drones arent squishy when they are within scoop range of their owner. They arent squishy when you try to shoot them from 70km away. They aren't squishy when their owner cant be tracked by guns that actually shoot 70km. They cannot be neuted like logi or local reps. They cannot be damped like logi. And if you want to ECM them, you have to use one jam per drone.

Its a massive buff to small gang logi and as a fw logi pilot id benefit from this way more than any mission runner.


1. You can use your drones to engage his drones (On a non drone boat). This forces him to recycle his own drones frequently, which reduces the theoretical tank.

2. If you have issues shooting a drone that's 70 km away, then you would probably have issues shooting the logi itself that is 70 km away, and it probably wouldn't die anyways, with or without them.

3. A full flight of drones from a scimi is basically the equivalent (Very roughly) to 1 large rep. If that 1 large rep is the make or break moment, you should have brought another friend.

Remember, you don't have to actually kill the logi drones, because a drone is just as useless whether its dead, or in your drone bay.

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