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EVE Online - Epileptics Beware of the Suns!!!

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SandKid
Sunset Logistics Company
#41 - 2012-01-02 22:47:48 UTC
CCP Mannapi wrote:
Hi there,

Is this view angle dependent for everyone who experiences this?

Also, is this tied to solar systems. Is it more likely to happen in certain systems? If so please list them here or preferably in a Bug Report.


I've seen it in many different systems - some times, and some times not - so for me it does not seem to be system dependent. I do indeed dual box, and I noticed someone mention that as a potential cause. I'm almost certain the issue is related to sun flare...here's my example.

When warping acorss a system, sometimes the screen becomes very light blue - you can see through this mind you, like something casting a blue light on the system. This brightens as you rotate the camera towards the sun, and lessens if you face opposite the sun. If you actually VIEW the sun, the flare ceases and usually won't return (rarely it does).

The main problem I listed probably has to do with the sun occluded option - I don't mind the sun appearing and disappearing because of this, but I do mind it causing the incredible white flash on my screen which I assume is an insta-flare from the sun suddenly 'appearing' from behind objects rapidly.

The problem is most apparent at Jump Gates and/or sites - I honestly can't say I've seen it while at stations. I see it most frequently during missions, but I also see it in roid belts when my corp gang mines. It's not the roids blocking the sun either and often, according to the solar map, there are no stations, planets, or other sites between us and the sun - which implies it's not an object affecting it.

I wish I could give more information - or better yet pictures. I may try and video it happening if I can. At this point I just turn the camera away when it happens, but that's very problematic in missions if what I need to fly towards (for looting, fighting, w/e) is the same direction as the sun. It really breaks the enjoyment of the game - not like you can't play EVE from strictly the overview.
Blue Rook
Ghost Cabal
#42 - 2012-01-02 22:54:20 UTC
I has it, makes my brain hurt.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-01-02 23:25:12 UTC
wtf Sandkid you own ,Asking for info,getting ask for info by CCP ,in just a few pages
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R.S.I2014

Vegare
Bitslix
Lolsec Fockel
#44 - 2012-01-02 23:25:30 UTC
Dr Karsun wrote:
I've had the same issue for ages, not sure how long... I stopped caring and just without thinking about it, look away from the sun.


Here too. Since years. HD4870 + up to date catalyst.

A workaround is to disable the option "items occlude sun" (if remember correctly) in the menu. Looks ugly though.
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-01-03 00:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Miner
I'm not the only one, staring at the sun...
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-01-03 00:13:46 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
I'm not the only one, staring at the sun...



stop staring or you loose the other eye

R.S.I2014

met worst
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-01-03 00:43:06 UTC
Twin nvidia 8600 GT's on 2 monitors.

No prob here in windowed mode running up to 4 accounts.
SandKid
Sunset Logistics Company
#48 - 2012-01-03 01:06:29 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
wtf Sandkid you own ,Asking for info,getting ask for info by CCP ,in just a few pages
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This made me laugh...

In all seriousness, everyone else who has this issue please submit a bug report if you can give concrete details:

If it happens in the same systems
If it happens at specific events (like rats spawning or some such)
If you see a correlation between hardware and the problem (Dual Boxing only?)

This isn't something affecting all of New Eden (or maybe it is and most just didn't bother to report it...), but it's a serious problem none the less that ought to be remedied. It dates back years, but until now it wasn't a severe issue as it occurred rarely. This implies that w/e code affects it can be changed - it's not something necessarily buried deep in the chasm of ccp development.

Thanks for all input - if you DON'T have this issue, do post your video cards and hardware. That might help form a correlation. For example I'm noticing ATX and NVidia mentioned on problem people a lot, but not much of anything else.
Arbiter Reformed
club penguinn
#49 - 2012-01-03 01:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Arbiter Reformed
i am actually an epileptic and this makes it a very serious bug for me

running an amd card and yes its viewing angle dependant i will try and fraps it
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#50 - 2012-01-03 03:45:48 UTC
Haven't had this particular problem. Though I periodically get something similar with gates being flashy white, but it goes away when I jump out and back in.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#51 - 2012-01-03 05:16:18 UTC
Glorious CEO wrote:
I have this problem since Tyrannis. It only appears when dual boxing, even when using two screens. It happened on ATI card first, then later on Nvidia. No driver fiddling would mend it.

I never bug reported it, because disabling "Sun is occluded by objects" makes it go away completely.

I should try that...
Johnathan Roark
Quantum Industries
#52 - 2012-01-03 05:19:24 UTC
This even happens to me on the login screen.

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Constellation Guard
#53 - 2012-01-03 05:53:59 UTC
SandKid wrote:

Thanks for all input - if you DON'T have this issue, do post your video cards and hardware. That might help ...


if it can help, I do NOT have this problem, running on Nvidia Geforce GTX560m notebook.

my other Nvidia cards on my desktops also do not have this problem.
Aineko Macx
#54 - 2012-01-03 07:22:50 UTC
CCP Mannapi wrote:
Hi there,
Is this view angle dependent for everyone who experiences this?
Also, is this tied to solar systems. Is it more likely to happen in certain systems? If so please list them here or preferably in a Bug Report.

I get occasional flashes with ships warping onto my grid.
Sometimes I also get a very fast succession of flashes without any apparent reason while just sitting in a POS, but changing the zoomlevel appears to make it stop for most part.
This happens on two different computers, both with ATI gfx cards (HD3850 and HD6950) and has happened for quite some time now (since Tyrannis might be right).
Embrodak Kazerin
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-01-03 08:58:37 UTC
This is happening to me in nearly every system. Currently using an HP Touchpad notebook. (AMD Turion dual-core, ATI Radeon HD 3200 graphics) I've seen it with both the factory default video drivers and the newest generic ATI drivers. The client is running on an external monitor in Fixed Window mode with 1680x1050 resolution, with medium shaders, high LOD and texture detail, and everything else as low as it can go.

  • It is not system-specific. It happens in nearly all systems, no matter where I go.

  • It is viewing-angle dependent. It happens only when the sun's location is visible, and seems to occur whenever objects/brackets occlude it. Turning the camera away from the sun makes the flashing stop.

  • It is not dual-boxing specific. I get the flashing screen when running a single client. I am, however, extending the desktop over both the external monitor and the notebook's own screen.

  • Unchecking "Sun is Occluded by Objects" in the options seems to fix the problem.

  • [*] The flashing started on TQ when Crucible was released. It didn't occur in the Crucible test builds on Sisi, but I don't know if it happens on Sisi now. I might have a look later if I remember.
    Dors Venabily
    United Starbase Systems
    #56 - 2012-01-03 09:36:42 UTC
    CCP Mannapi wrote:
    Hi there,

    Is this view angle dependent for everyone who experiences this?

    Also, is this tied to solar systems. Is it more likely to happen in certain systems? If so please list them here or preferably in a Bug Report.


    It depends on the color of the star for me.

    blue whitish are more prone to do that then red in my experience
    Vincent Athena
    Photosynth
    Just let it happen
    #57 - 2012-01-03 19:01:59 UTC
    I do not have this issue.

    MacBookPro, NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M, low graphics settings, objects block sun ON.

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    Jenshae Chiroptera
    #58 - 2012-01-03 19:12:02 UTC
    There is an option to occlude the sun. I used that for awhile when mining, now I just automatically turn away. It doesn't flash for me, just whites out pretty much the entire screen.

    7300 GT, all settings lowest.
    Had same problem with 8800 GTX before Incarna burn it. So, I would say that it has been ever since Incarna as that happened some months after it came out and I had idled in the Captain's Quarters thinking my machine was fine with it after testing it.

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    Chandaris
    Immortalis Inc.
    Shadow Cartel
    #59 - 2012-01-03 20:05:32 UTC
    I have this problem too, have had it for months.. well before crucible.. I think it started with Incarna..

    It's REALLY annoying, and yea gives me a real headache if i don't rotate the sun out of the frame which does often put me in a poor tactical position to observe the combat)
    Lyron-Baktos
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #60 - 2012-01-03 20:11:05 UTC
    the sun is very bright but I have not noticed any big flashing or anything
    window/full mode
    no dual boxing
    NVDIA card, updated drives GTX 260