EVE General Discussion

Some people have been playing this game for a long time, and I suspect many of them still play only due to habit and sunk cost fallacy. Those are the people who complain the loudest. I doubt many of them are actually having fun when they log in; they're like self-hating alcoholics who refuse to give up because then all the money they already spent on booze would be wasted.

Bolied down, you are asking whether EVE is for vets or noobs.
Is that correct?

Id think the answer is its a hobby for both.

CCPs challenge is retaining new players past a hump, and then retaining those who make it past that, beyond that.

As to what particulars of the game retain players interests, both new and old, those are as varied as opportunities are in EVE as a sandbox, ie:nigh limitless and more than any one player can conceivably exhaust.

Guilty conscience for consuming in EVE?

Oo...

The players involved in populating those larger actions, albeit organised/led by others, are themselves also producing content on their own part.

Not everyone gives a **** about money bro, granted could've probably hired a decent pole dancer for a few nights with what I've spent on eve over the years. I've also spent a lot of money on pole dancers too, I wouldn't say due to habit or alcohol... Wait... Okay, but money still isn't an issue, enjoyed them both, money well spent.

Congratulations, you're not one of the people I was describing in my post.

Anyway, sunk cost fallacy also applies to time and effort spent, not just money.

This Hobby is for 20k - 30k of individuals spreaded out all over the world who are 24/7/365 online.

This guy should really cut his finger and never open the box.

This part bugged me enough that Im prompted to return and comment on it, as I see this elsewhere online as well.

This paragraph carries aspects of social fascism in terms of undue judgement of what someone, anyone, says, as their opinion whether they are "trolling" or not. They have their reasons. You dont have to like it, or agree with it, but its their opinion, and they are as entitled to it as you are your own.

The common denominator here, is you dont like what they are saying, think it is wrong, and want it to stop.
Why? Who are you to say whats right or wrong, good or bad, over and beyond their own views on those?

By all means debate your own position against theirs to your hearts content, but your attitude carries degrees of an assumption of moral superiority, and an attempt to propagate social sanction against their opinions.

Thats something for you to marinate on too, bub.

Granted, the players you describe currently subbed (by plex or money) are inherently hypocrites for telling someone else that THEIR sub is a waste, whereas they are themselves also still subbed by means of the same, and equally at "waste". I wasnt there, I didnt see the specifics, but ita possible you entered the discussion without understanding its full context, or perhaps misunderstood players talking about a player who inadvertently/unkowingly bough PLEX with IRL money and used that to sub his own accoubt, which is indeed a waste.

I hold to the position that the overwhelming majority of interpersonal conflict, is a result of simple misunderstandings. People are terrible at reading and jump to conclusions, especially as chat/text lacks body language and voice inflection cues, as well as the written language problem of communicating oneself so concisely that nobody can read it another way than intended.

Are you having fun?

As a multi year player, what does it offer me?

For me it is the social and free play aspect of gaming. The non linear play of it allows me to do what I want, how I want, at what pace I want.

There is the understanding that others are in my sandbox. My playstyle, from mining to pvp is that I think ahead far enough that they cannot affect me. All of eve can come after me, yes, if I did not know, I probably would be ganked, but ships and assets mean that once onto it, would never get me. My hiding would then become my game.

Warhammer was actually a good choice of comparision. I used to be a very solid warhammer player. Warhammer is not just gaming but also modelling hobby. Unfortunately the makers of the game focused on a niche and top tier, and as such have booted out any potentially new players of the game. Much like when CCP ended up losing many subs because they focused so much on their top tier that they had nothing to bring others in to replace those that leave.

Warhammer is cascading bad. I left because the cost of spending outweighed anything. The cost of a leader fig is more than any of my Figmas (I am not ashamed to admit I have some figs). In fact, one full squad costs more than my first motorcycle. So a general basic painted army cost as much as I bought my Honda Nighthawk. If warhammer was smart, find out what new players dont need. Offer just what is needed to get into it, then sell specialized and more expensive stuff to the top players. "kitbash remaining spare parts" That means money is being spent on parts that cannot be used. Smart thing is split them into two kits. Buy the force, then have blister pack for weapon kits. Reduce detail as game kit, and then offer high detail pricer ones for the pros.

Continuing in the video, like collecting knives. A person can collect knives, and get nice ones. Most hobbies like that have affordable entries. But then you can have the the top tier level for others.

Onto eve, we shouldn't complain to all the base level stuff that CCP does. It is vital. People leave, no matter how hardcore, eventually people go inactive or less hardcore for the majority. Start at the base. Keep getting those people that haven't played or jaded from the past NPE. Make a solid foundation.

We have all the tools in game for longterm veteran play. But much of it has imbalances. Most of the people I know who left was because of end game imbalance. CCP changed (fozzysov?) and lost more, but that is short term. CCP has a choice, make changes, and revitalize the market to attract new buyers to the brand, or just keep trying to suck up to a small number of hardcore bittervets. CCP is a business that needs to make money. A small number of bittervets won't keep the servers online.

As General Motors how well focusing on just their aging Cadillac buyers was doing for them during the 80s and 90s?

It is business. CCP HAS to start catering to other player demographics and new players. Griefing newbs, gratz guys. You must hate eve Just took a few hundred bucks from the ccp bank account. That is what pays the bills. If we like the game, Respect and accept other means of play such as hardcore PvEers. Doesn't mean hugs and veldspar for everybody, freighter ganks, and such, no mercy in lowsec, that is part of eve. Even ganking the mission runners who plexed to bling ship is. CCP needs to do a better part of informing new players about that though. New guy sells one plex, builds a shiny, is ganked, and wont play again. CCP sold one plex, but lost six months of sub as result?

Just don't disrespect cause somebody plays it different.

EvE is for the mentally unstable, the narcissist or psychopath, the ones who have a superiority complex, the emo and the body builder who shoots 50mg of adrenalin every day, it's for the people who have OCD and ADHD.

EvE is not for the ordinary.