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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#1 - 2015-08-20 17:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
1. The over all the fights and system battles have been fun. The time spent fighting has been worth my game time.

2. TCU needs more meaning other then just 25% reduction in POS fuel cost. I have seen TCU events last for days cause no one cares to remove it. Tie the TCU into the right to moon mine in that system and watch the fighting over TCU explode. Like the old gold rush days and claiming your stake.

3. Ihubs need to come in small medium and large version and cheaper. They should not envolve capital construction parts. As a group we have taken stations and did not put up a TCU or Ihub. The ihub barrier is what is preventing us from making a real go at living in 0.0 we just took. The ability to replace it and begin to escalate the opportunity of 0.0 with upgrades is not scaling with corps or alliance size. The current IHUB needs to scale based on what your group is looking to do in that space.

4. Love the direction and fun Fozzy Sov have produced. Don't look back
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2015-08-20 17:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Why do Ihubs need to be cheaper? They cost 300M to build and the upgrades for a small alliance amount to a low single digit billions for a small alliance (You do not need to go beyond L3 as you have no way to keep it beyond that level anyways without grinding, thus ruining your gameplay experience). At Military 3 with Detection 3 in the Ihub, I can make hundreds of millions of ISK per day with hours or ratting. In light of this: Why do I hubs need to be cheaper when a couple of ratters can grab billions of ISK per day out of a system, and how much lower does the cost for sov need to be to not be a barrier.

You talk about commitment, yet you do not want to commit a couple hundred million of ISK? Stop this hypocrisy right away!

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-08-20 17:56:06 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Why do Ihubs need to be cheaper? They cost 300M to build and the upgrades for a small alliance amount to a low single digit billions for a small alliance (You do not need to go beyond L3 as you have no way to keep it beyond that level anyways without grinding, thus ruining your gameplay experience). How much lower does the cost for sov need to be.


Imma guess about 100 mill since many people find it interesting that you can take SOV with an interceptor...
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#4 - 2015-08-20 18:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Why do Ihubs need to be cheaper? They cost 300M to build and the upgrades for a small alliance amount to a low single digit billions for a small alliance (You do not need to go beyond L3 as you have no way to keep it beyond that level anyways without grinding, thus ruining your gameplay experience). At Military 3 with Detection 3 in the Ihub, I can make hundreds of millions of ISK per day with hours or ratting. In light of this: Why do I hubs need to be cheaper when a couple of ratters can grab billions of ISK per day out of a system, and how much lower does the cost for sov need to be to not be a barrier.

You talk about commitment, yet you do not want to commit a couple hundred million of ISK? Stop this hypocrisy right away!



Cost is only one factor. Small Medium large and the cost could be 100 200 and then 300mil. Also allow it to be built with the same material as a POS or custom hub. So a small groups can put up a Ihub and begin to improve there ADM with a T1 Hauler and a small ihub. The upgrade slots can scale also.

My point being a small group who takes space and needs a I hub can set one up and begin to live .
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2015-08-20 18:16:27 UTC
If they cannot sustain a setback of 300M + let's say 3B for upgrades, how are they supposed to sustain other inevitable expenses? Such as PVP and constant losses? Setting up proper shop in a system with POS, Pocos, soon with Citadels and other soon mandatory structures? Losses from ratting? Being camped by people and while still having constant upkeep cost? To name a few.

I argue that an Ihub is the least of their problems, especially if they do that kind of stuff with T1 haulers.

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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort
#6 - 2015-08-20 20:56:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Nasar Vyron
DNSBLACK wrote:
1. The over all the fights and system battles have been fun. The time spent fighting has been worth my game time.

2. TCU needs more meaning other then just 25% reduction in POS fuel cost. I have seen TCU events last for days cause no one cares to remove it. Tie the TCU into the right to moon mine in that system and watch the fighting over TCU explode. Like the old gold rush days and claiming your stake.

3. Ihubs need to come in small medium and large version and cheaper. They should not envolve capital construction parts. As a group we have taken stations and did not put up a TCU or Ihub. The ihub barrier is what is preventing us from making a real go at living in 0.0 we just took. The ability to replace it and begin to escalate the opportunity of 0.0 with upgrades is not scaling with corps or alliance size. The current IHUB needs to scale based on what your group is looking to do in that space.

4. Love the direction and fun Fozzy Sov have produced. Don't look back



Here's your solution: One person in your "alliance" needs to go buy a plex - problem solved. With isk left over!

Seriously, if that little isk is your problem then you don't deserve to hold sov and shows how foolishly low the barrier for entry truly is now. I sure as hell don't see you holding your space it if an IHub is stretching your alliance funds too thin. Needless to say, it's going to take more than a ceptor to defend your new found home.

EDIT - Be glad you don't need a freighter to move your Ihub/upgrades around anymore. Or you could chalk that up to another bill you'd be expected to front. Or are you now going to ask that the "small" ihub and upgrades be able to be shuttled around in a ceptor as well? It's only fair, we can't expect people to be able to fly a ceptor AND an T2 Indy as well! BARRIER TO ENTRY TOO HIGH!