Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Psst.

Nothing stopping a newbie from moving to nullsec. It's kind of our 'thing' to bring them out the second they're done with the tutorial.

Which has nothing to do with the viability of a newbie moving to null? PH, brave and probably TEST all do the same thing.

But why would we want to hand anyone who doesn't like us an invulnerable staging point in the middle of our sov, when we already control the sixth biggest trade hub in the game selling just to our people?

So, what exactly is stopping these other groups from having thier own hubs? I mean, we're the 6th, provibloc have the 7th, and there are four other nullsec hubs in the top 20.

Considering the fact that you can already make nullsec trade hubs, why would anyone want to plop a highsec system right in the middle of their sov for any random hostile to come burning out of?

How does one blockade a highsec system effectivley?

How does one supply a trade hub without any kind of a freighter? (no cynos means no JFs, means no-one is going to stock it, means it's just handing bad guys a staging post.)

You haven't explained what the advantage is for anyone to actually do this. Why would they bother?

(Also, what do you mean by regional sov? Do you mean that if you lose one system in a region, your highsec base is gone? Or all of them? or what?)

Danika, try reading the original post. I said "high sec like" but with the ability to cyno freighters in.

... I have already addressed your questions throughout the thread if you read carefully and between the lines.

I said "perhaps" and I meant a ban on cynos for combat ships, not stuff like freighters. I don't think that would be hard for CCP to do.

and yes i did. If you don't agree that they are advantages, that's your opinion. I'm not going to argue with you or repeat my self because you failed to understand.

If you have an idea to remove null sec dependency on high sec market hubs i would love to hear it. If not, what are you trying to achieve here?

No, you did not.

Where is the advantage to handing hostiles an invulnerable staging post in the middle of your sov, and why is anyone going to do this given that you can already make nullsec trade hubs? Ones you can actually defend and supply yourself at that.

What does a station with no docking restrictions and bloody concord protection in the middle of someone's sov space become if it isn't a place for hostiles to stage out of? How can you not think people would do this? How many groups stage out of NPC pockets in nullsec regions to attack the sov holders in the rest of the region? Literally every pocket has at least one.

And yes, if people are remotely intelligent, which the hardcore market folks tend to be, they can do exactly that. Sure, a random neutral can't bring in a JF full of goodies to undercut the locals, but why would we want them to when we could instead encourage our own guys to stock the hub instead?


I think these are issues that cannot be resolved, and that your idea is fundamentally unworkable. You clearly have no answer to them either, so...to keep it simple:

Why would anyone do this thing.

Okay. Right.

Why. would. anyone. want. to. create. a. public. hub?


Why would you want to provide hostiles with a staging system in the middle of your space, with a market they can easily reship from, NPC protection and no way to evict them?


And what is stopping you from just freeporting an existing station and using that? At least that way you can lock out reds.



And yes, other people play too. Like CVA, who were number seven last I looked. In a sov station, with no access for people who roam their space killing their guys...

You can't answer the most basic question, yet you're still acting like this is the best idea ever. If you cannot explain why it would be a good idea to do a thing, it's probably a bad idea in the first place.

So...locking out the people who want to gank your industry guys but still allowing neutrals in is bad.

Riiiight.

Have you ever actually lived in null? I'm genuinely curious now. You don't seem to understand the concept of people wanting to kill your guys.

Let's put it simply. You build this station in...I dunno, cobalt edge or any other region more than one jump out of highsec. An imperium squad deploys to it and now has a concord protected, invulnerable staging system you cannot keep them out of. (Substitute this for PL, BL, HERO, Pizza or really anyone else you care to think of if you prefer)

You now have a hundred reds burning down everything you own. You have paid billions for the privilege of being killed by goons, and have a highsec island with no other use. Sure, you can try to present it as a market hub, but unless it's in a region you can easily jump to from highsec, with a high population who control the space pretty well, no-one from outside your alliance or that of the people staging in it to kill you is ever going to stock it. You're certainly not going to get local miners keeping up with production needs when they're hiding in pos or dying to reds every five minutes.

Even if reds don't just use it to slaughter everyone in the region, who is going to buy from or sell at your hub besides the people who already live in the region and can, presumably, dock in the stations that already exist?


If you really, really want my best possible suggestion to meet your goal, it's going to be the word 'Thera'. Or, if you're feeling particularly masochistic, NPC nullsec. Go try and seed the market in Serpantis Prime, 5ZXX, 1DH- or N5Y and report back on how you do. Don't expect NPCs to protect your new trade hub either, that's not how the game works, and nor should it be.