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Tao of a Capsuleer- Mind and Self

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-08-18 17:17:08 UTC
I meditate by adopting a properly louche posture in an armchair, lighting up a hand-rolled short corona, pouring myself a glass of twenty-plus year single malt whiskey with a strong vanilla palette and then put on some smooth jazz.

That's all the zen or tao I need and anyone who tells me different I'll just say, hey I'm enjoying myself here in the moment and I like it more than getting hung up on the paradoxes that arise in seeking to explain the ineluctable experiences in my life through the informal axioms of language structures.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Arrendis
TK Corp
#22 - 2015-08-18 17:58:31 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
You know, that sounds much like myself not that long ago. You think it's something that affects dedicated logistics pilots in general? Either way, it's struck a cord.


It wouldn't surprise me. Sometimes it just takes a big enough shock to the system... and then you can't stop seeing it. The first battle of B-D, during the Fountain War, was a bad day for me. In the moment, it was... intense, it was busy - too much to do for there to be anything to think about. We kept throwing battleships into the grinder, trying to take the gate... if we saved one, it was a huge victory. If it was lost three hours later... it was a hard slap that fueled our anger.

But afterwards? In the quiet hours, once Akasha'd debriefed the logi and you were all alone staring out an exterior window toward the debris field... there was time to think. That may have been where it started, for me. It's certainly the first time I can remember dwelling on the losses.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#23 - 2015-08-18 18:52:12 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
You know, that sounds much like myself not that long ago. You think it's something that affects dedicated logistics pilots in general? Either way, it's struck a cord.


It wouldn't surprise me. Sometimes it just takes a big enough shock to the system... and then you can't stop seeing it. The first battle of B-D, during the Fountain War, was a bad day for me. In the moment, it was... intense, it was busy - too much to do for there to be anything to think about. We kept throwing battleships into the grinder, trying to take the gate... if we saved one, it was a huge victory. If it was lost three hours later... it was a hard slap that fueled our anger.

But afterwards? In the quiet hours, once Akasha'd debriefed the logi and you were all alone staring out an exterior window toward the debris field... there was time to think. That may have been where it started, for me. It's certainly the first time I can remember dwelling on the losses.


ERVK was my wake up, seeing battleships just disapper into nothingness. I've seen often enough in wormholes people escaping ships just to likely freeze to death, knowing unlike the lowsec and nullsec crews who have a chance, out in Anoikis in the empty systems between your home and the enemy's... You rarely get found

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#24 - 2015-08-18 19:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Siddhar Gangari
What an unfortunate circumstance that the Republic and State are enemies. For all of our differences, the Caldari and Minmatar have a dazzling congruence in our customs and beliefs.

The Vherokior people take matters of meditation very seriously, for one cannot go through life without a center; a place to plant one's roots. Our practices vary, but clan Gangari practices a form of moving meditation and martial art we call gongfu-qi. The idea is to enter a state of Chan, which, I believe, correlates to your concept of Zen, by executing movements that require supreme flexibility, dexterity, strength and focus. Great time and dedication is needed to master this discipline. The greatest practitioners of our history are said to be able to walk in the desert without displacing a single grain of sand - and shatter solid rock with their strikes.

It's purpose is the unification of opposites - stillness and action, grace and strength, compassion and harshness - a principle that my people employ in every facet of their lives. The tenants of gongfu-qi can apply outside of martial arts. Gongfu after all means "supreme skill obtained through dedication." A successful merchant, and artful statesman - these can be said to have gongfu. But what of the qi?

Literally, qi means breath. But in this context, it represents the movement of the universe - the very soul of all that is, was and ever will be. We are all parts of existence, and it is qi what connects us and drives us. The Sebiestor call it rlung, the Jin-Mei call it dao and the Achura know it as prana. Together, gongfu-qi represents the never-ending pursuit of mental, physical and spiritual perfection.

Thank you for opening this thread - it was a thrill to share this piece of my culture with the IGS.
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#25 - 2015-08-18 19:36:26 UTC
Roland Cassidy wrote:
I would be interested in hearing about the meditative practices of others. Aside from being interesting, it serves the secondary purpose of aiding the gradual evolution of one's own tao. As meditation changes us, so too do we change it.



My Clan teaches what we call Meditation through Motion. The most common methods to achieve this is through martial arts or dance, however any activity that requires physical exertion can work just as well.

The principle is that pushing the physical limitations of the body focuses the mind. All that exists is the next step, the next swing of the arm, the next motion that you are to do. It breaks down the barrier between body and mind, and allows the practitioner to be fully aware of their flesh and bone. It is an exercise of control, and to use your analogy of a stone within a river, serves to pluck the stone away so that, if even for a moment, it is completely free of stream.

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2015-08-18 19:53:08 UTC
Cain Aloga wrote:
Roland Cassidy wrote:
I would be interested in hearing about the meditative practices of others. Aside from being interesting, it serves the secondary purpose of aiding the gradual evolution of one's own tao. As meditation changes us, so too do we change it.

My Clan teaches what we call Meditation through Motion. The most common methods to achieve this is through martial arts or dance, however any activity that requires physical exertion can work just as well.

The principle is that pushing the physical limitations of the body focuses the mind. All that exists is the next step, the next swing of the arm, the next motion that you are to do. It breaks down the barrier between body and mind, and allows the practitioner to be fully aware of their flesh and bone. It is an exercise of control, and to use your analogy of a stone within a river, serves to pluck the stone away so that, if even for a moment, it is completely free of stream.

Respectfully, pilot, do you feel that those practices are still useful to capsuleers? I do have training of this sort in the Archur tradition, but haven't kept it up. It feels like a distraction from my training as a pilot and capsuleer.

Is there a purpose I have overlooked?
Roland Cassidy
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2015-08-18 20:12:44 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Respectfully, pilot, do you feel that those practices are still useful to capsuleers? I do have training of this sort in the Archur tradition, but haven't kept it up. It feels like a distraction from my training as a pilot and capsuleer.

Is there a purpose I have overlooked?


I hold a belief that particularly as capsuleers, we reach our pinnacle when our mind and self are balanced and cease clouding our actions both in and out of pod. I greatly agree with the fact that neural interface is quite a release of mental constraints, I argue that the sharpness of what we bring to the capsule is what is multiplied by such a direct link.

His way of retaining his focus is certainly different from mine own, however I believe it is clear that the goal and end result is within the scope of usefulness to even us gods in pods.

"Watashi no Tao wa magarikunetta michidesu. Watashi wa toraedokoro no nai, heiwa o motome, samayoimasu."

(Trans) "My Tao is a winding path. I wander, seeking an elusive peace. "

浪人

Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#28 - 2015-08-18 22:06:15 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Respectfully, pilot, do you feel that those practices are still useful to capsuleers? I do have training of this sort in the Archur tradition, but haven't kept it up. It feels like a distraction from my training as a pilot and capsuleer.

Is there a purpose I have overlooked?


The short answer is that one day you will be forced to act without the capsule and the abilities that it confers. Therefore, to rely on such technology is not a strength, but a weakness. Grounding oneself in martial conditioning of the body and the mind will save you when technology eventually breaks, malfunctions or is usurped. Also consider that maintaining human talents reminds you of human limits, which offers a perspective that infomorphs, such as ourselves, typically lose over time.
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#29 - 2015-08-18 22:55:46 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Respectfully, pilot, do you feel that those practices are still useful to capsuleers? I do have training of this sort in the Archur tradition, but haven't kept it up. It feels like a distraction from my training as a pilot and capsuleer.

Is there a purpose I have overlooked?


At first I did not understand your question. What does being a capsuleer have to do with anything?

Then I read this.

Siddhar Gangari wrote:

The short answer is that one day you will be forced to act without the capsule and the abilities that it confers. Therefore, to rely on such technology is not a strength, but a weakness. Grounding oneself in martial conditioning of the body and the mind will save you when technology eventually breaks, malfunctions or is usurped. Also consider that maintaining human talents reminds you of human limits, which offers a perspective that infomorphs, such as ourselves, typically lose over time.


I believe this best answers your question.

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2015-08-19 00:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Cain Aloga wrote:
At first I did not understand your question. What does being a capsuleer have to do with anything?

Then I read this.

Siddhar Gangari wrote:
The short answer is that one day you will be forced to act without the capsule and the abilities that it confers. Therefore, to rely on such technology is not a strength, but a weakness. Grounding oneself in martial conditioning of the body and the mind will save you when technology eventually breaks, malfunctions or is usurped. Also consider that maintaining human talents reminds you of human limits, which offers a perspective that infomorphs, such as ourselves, typically lose over time.


I believe this best answers your question.

Ah-- well, it clarifies the difference between our points of view, at least. I'll try to explain my own.

Achura train more for the sake of perfecting our souls (the specifics vary from sect to sect) than to prepare ourselves for real combat. It's a spiritual exercise; the warrior monks of old mostly disappeared along with our bows, swords, and penchant for plucking out the eyelashes of defeated enemies.

I've seen modern hand to hand combat, close up, the result of accepting an invitation into someone else's world. Things went badly wrong, and I don't think all the martial arts expertise on Achura would have saved me if I'd been forced to depend on it. Luckily there was someone on hand who knew what he was doing-- with a scrambler rifle and a dropsuit that could tear through deck plate.

I'm okay with leaving the hand-to-hand combat to the experts.

My old self (I'm an amnesiac, to be clear-- a damaged copy) was a pirate for many years, and certainly kept up her training. I'm a small, quick person, and specialized in daggers, but the only people I apparently ever fought and killed with those skills were my own relatives. That is in fact about as bad as it sounds.

Worse, probably. I murdered my grandfather that way. So, maybe that's another reason. In the meantime, the weapon I choose to train with until it becomes an extension of myself ... is my ship. There's so much to do and see-- do I really need to spend my time learning another way to kill people?

My current self is very much, and quite literally, a child of technology. I'm a partially-failed clone of my original self. I can't remember a time when I wasn't a capsuleer. Technology created me, sustains me; if being without my tools kills me in the end, I guess I'm okay with dying. There'd be a symmetry to that.

If that's a weakness ... I guess I'm okay with having weaknesses.

Until then, in case I wander down the wrong alley and fail to wander out again, I maintain a set of backup clones.
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#31 - 2015-08-19 00:33:39 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Cain Aloga wrote:
At first I did not understand your question. What does being a capsuleer have to do with anything?

Then I read this.

Siddhar Gangari wrote:
The short answer is that one day you will be forced to act without the capsule and the abilities that it confers. Therefore, to rely on such technology is not a strength, but a weakness. Grounding oneself in martial conditioning of the body and the mind will save you when technology eventually breaks, malfunctions or is usurped. Also consider that maintaining human talents reminds you of human limits, which offers a perspective that infomorphs, such as ourselves, typically lose over time.


I believe this best answers your question.


Ah-- well, it clarifies the difference between our points of view, at least. I'll try to explain my own.

Achura train more for the sake of perfecting our souls (the specifics vary from sect to sect) than to prepare ourselves for real combat. It's a spiritual exercise; the warrior monks of old mostly disappeared along with our bows, swords, and penchant for plucking out the eyelashes of defeated enemies.

I've seen modern hand to hand combat, close up, the result of accepting an invitation into someone else's world. Things went badly wrong, and I don't think all the martial arts expertise on Achura would have saved me if I'd been forced to depend on it. Luckily there was someone on hand who knew what he was doing-- with a scrambler rifle and a dropsuit that could tear through deck plate.

I'm okay with leaving the hand-to-hand combat to the experts.

My old self (I'm an amnesiac, to be clear-- a damaged copy) was a pirate for many years, and certainly kept up her training. I'm a small, quick person, and specialized in daggers, but the only people I apparently ever fought and killed with those skills were my own relatives. That is in fact about as bad as it sounds.

Worse, probably. I murdered my grandfather that way. So, maybe that's another reason. In the meantime, the weapon I choose to train with until it becomes an extension of myself ... is my ship. There's so much to do and see-- do I really need to spend my time learning another way to kill people?

My current self is very much, and quite literally, a child of technology. I'm a partially-failed clone of my original self. I can't remember a time when I wasn't a capsuleer. Technology created me, sustains me; if being without my tools kills me in the end, I guess I'm okay with dying. There'd be a symmetry to that.

If that's a weakness ... I guess I'm okay with having weaknesses.

Until then, in case I wander down the wrong alley and fail to wander out again, I maintain a set of backup clones.


Meditation through motion is less about martial prowess, and more about achieving unity between our minds and bodies through the connection of the two. It also serves to teach us control of our selves.


I believe that I understand now where you come from. As a child of technology, as you so say, the capsule, and by extension being a capsuleer form an integral part of your Identity. The difference is that to me, the status of capsuleer is nothing more than an occupation. Yes, it provides me with opportunities that most cannot not even dream of, but at the end of the day I do not Identify by It. After all is said and done, I am the second son of the Aloga clan, a Brutor Tribesmen, and Matari.


While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-08-19 00:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Cain Aloga wrote:
Meditation through motion is less about martial prowess, and more about achieving unity between our minds and bodies through the connection of the two. It also serves to teach us control of our selves.


This bit's essentially identical. Different sects approach the details differently, but ... yeah.

Pretty much the same.

Quote:
I believe that I understand now where you come from. As a child of technology, as you so say, the capsule, and by extension being a capsuleer form an integral part of your Identity. The difference is that to me, the status of capsuleer is nothing more than an occupation. Yes, it provides me with opportunities that most cannot not even dream of, but at the end of the day I do not Identify by It. After all is said and done, I am the second son of the Aloga clan, a Brutor Tribesmen, and Matari.


That does sound about right.

I do think it's healthy to stay aware of our human frailties and so on (and I really, really don't think we're gods), but ...

... I'm 1.48 m tall and weigh a little under 37 kg.

I think I'd rather spend my time out of pod exploring than learning that I'm small and fragile; that bit's kind of obvious.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-08-19 09:30:33 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Cain Aloga wrote:
Meditation through motion is less about martial prowess, and more about achieving unity between our minds and bodies through the connection of the two. It also serves to teach us control of our selves.


This bit's essentially identical. Different sects approach the details differently, but ... yeah.

Pretty much the same.

Quote:
I believe that I understand now where you come from. As a child of technology, as you so say, the capsule, and by extension being a capsuleer form an integral part of your Identity. The difference is that to me, the status of capsuleer is nothing more than an occupation. Yes, it provides me with opportunities that most cannot not even dream of, but at the end of the day I do not Identify by It. After all is said and done, I am the second son of the Aloga clan, a Brutor Tribesmen, and Matari.


That does sound about right.

I do think it's healthy to stay aware of our human frailties and so on (and I really, really don't think we're gods), but ...

... I'm 1.48 m tall and weigh a little under 37 kg.

I think I'd rather spend my time out of pod exploring than learning that I'm small and fragile; that bit's kind of obvious.


I think of capsuleers as a different state of being myself. We are a disembodied mind shuttled around the galaxy inhabiting biological constructs based roughly on our birth bodies. We are no better or worse than our baseliner counterparts, simply very very different. For us it is our mind that is our defining characteristic, not the flesh and bone we temporarily make our home at any one time.

This is why I too go planetside as much as I can, why I indulge in the more basic entertainments on offer. It keeps me grounded (so to speak), reminds me that all said and done I am still human, formed from the unique experiences gifted to me by my parents, family, and those I've interacted with on my journey.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2015-08-19 15:13:21 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I think of capsuleers as a different state of being myself. We are a disembodied mind shuttled around the galaxy inhabiting biological constructs based roughly on our birth bodies. We are no better or worse than our baseliner counterparts, simply very very different. For us it is our mind that is our defining characteristic, not the flesh and bone we temporarily make our home at any one time.

This is why I too go planetside as much as I can, why I indulge in the more basic entertainments on offer. It keeps me grounded (so to speak), reminds me that all said and done I am still human, formed from the unique experiences gifted to me by my parents, family, and those I've interacted with on my journey.

Your first line gave me kind of a chill, Mr. Farsaidh, but actually I think we're on about the same page.

The first part is what my antecedent called an "infomorph." It's a word I still use.

The second, especially the insistence that you're still human, is very different from what she thought she was, but I do agree, even if I don't have any experiences from my time as a baseliner that I can remember.

"Human" isn't exactly a concept engraved in the fabric of reality. It's an idea in our heads. We've entered a strange bit of history, where the margins of what is "human" are being tested. What it means is kind of up to us, but it seems better to make it a wider circle than a narrower one.

Otherwise, we're going to get people, like the old me, saying, "Well, if I'm not human, I don't have to play by human rules, do I?"
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-08-19 16:17:11 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
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Your first line gave me kind of a chill, Mr. Farsaidh, but actually I think we're on about the same page.

The first part is what my antecedent called an "infomorph." It's a word I still use.

The second, especially the insistence that you're still human, is very different from what she thought she was, but I do agree, even if I don't have any experiences from my time as a baseliner that I can remember.

"Human" isn't exactly a concept engraved in the fabric of reality. It's an idea in our heads. We've entered a strange bit of history, where the margins of what is "human" are being tested. What it means is kind of up to us, but it seems better to make it a wider circle than a narrower one.

Otherwise, we're going to get people, like the old me, saying, "Well, if I'm not human, I don't have to play by human rules, do I?"


I would say we believe roughly the same thing, I'm never quite sure which disturbs me more: Capsuleers believing they are immortal or capsuleers believing that a collection of wires, hull plating and laser scanners make them some kind of demi-god.

Feel free to drop by at my PI home sometime and sample the estate hoji cha. I absolutely promise I won't try to persuade you into any Gallente activities that would in any way disturb you Blink
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2015-08-21 03:36:52 UTC
A bowl of popcorn, my cat Fluffels *holds up an unamused tabby*, and the IGS.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-08-22 09:41:17 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Roland Cassidy wrote:
I can sympathize with such a life... It seems too simple to drown the self and mute the noise but for a moment. I recall spending much time in Vale in solitude doing the same Arrendis. I try to remember that well, so I strengthen my resolve not to do as such again.


It's not me I'm drowning, Roland. It's the dead.

I prefer drowning dead in the blood of the enemies.
This keeps myself also useful to the State and our society instead of becoming useless drunkard junk.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#38 - 2015-08-22 16:03:58 UTC
Roland Cassidy wrote:
While there are many paths to mindlessness (not to be confused with pointlessness or absurdity) I personally choose meditation mantra and prayer each to achieve Still mind. Mantra or the repetition of simple chant conditions the seeker to focus on insubstantial and relaxes the Self in gentle rhythm of breath and sound. Meditation specific to myself though common and a widely utilized rote involves a mental hall where I consider my thoughts as open doors and slowly resolve or close each door to move onward. This takes time at first, but with practice you begin realizing which doors need resolution and which ones may be closed as we approach. With time less thoughts need to be arranged and it becomes a simple walk through a cooridor. Prayer is common ground for the wayist. Its rote is similar to mantra, its release of past and present to ancestors care similar to meditative practice. Each a valuable tool in calming the internal waters.


At my temple, we have always listened to the waves crashing against the Kemijoki. The cliffs there are ancient, resilient stone, and for as long as we have records, we've let ourselves fill with the sound of the water battering in futility against the rock.

After our, uh, forced emigration, we were forced to adapt, of course. We tune a rf frequency antenna to the ripples of the solar wind in Kakakela, now, and its interactions with the gas giant our station orbits. It works, but I don't think it's quite the same. We miss those old sounds. Some clever monk managed to smuggle a chunk of stone from the cliffs during the evacuation, though; it has a place of honour in the temple.

You're right though. There's no right way to do it.

Roland Cassidy wrote:
Once our vessels are empty, then begins the careful task of filling our self with appropriate mindfulness. Focusing our mind on singular tasks and discovering tao in the moment, Order of the mind and another step in the path to inner tranquility.


That's really interesting! We don't do that at all. We focus mostly on walking-while-empty. Which I guess isn't much of a focus at all.
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