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Why all the hate on sov ?

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2015-08-15 11:04:30 UTC
rofflesausage wrote:
It should just be removed and brand new game mechanics introduced...

Which is..?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#42 - 2015-08-15 13:44:44 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
rofflesausage wrote:
It should just be removed and brand new game mechanics introduced...
Which is..?
While everyone is coming up with that:

  1. Go back to Dominion SOV
  2. Drop carrier and dread damage by 10%
  3. Heavily nerf super and titan damage
  4. Cut the structure HP so they are less boring to grind.

Result?
500 sub-caps or 50 supers?
Do you want 50 supers sitting there when they can hardly hit sub-caps because they aren't regular carriers?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#43 - 2015-08-15 14:17:34 UTC
solrac lara wrote:
I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.

Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious


sov is now a minigame
Reiisha
#44 - 2015-08-15 14:41:08 UTC
CCP focused so much on taking and defending sov when someone comes in and contests it by using the pre-determined interface.

The focus is so tight, so tiny that they forgot everything else about it. And even on that point, they took the original system (structure grind) and changed it, rather than actually changing it up and improving it.

And it's again something i've been saying for a while: It's a focus on passive systems, rather than active systems. Base sov on system activity instead of a passive structure grind and then you'll get proper gains and gameplay from it.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#45 - 2015-08-15 16:35:07 UTC
don't hate the sov, troll the sov

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-08-15 17:57:51 UTC
People tend to hate what they can't understand.
Commander Spurty
#47 - 2015-08-16 01:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Spurty
New sov system allows those without any sov to claim some.

No need to already hold 49 moons and have an armada of super caps and Titans to convert a "pvp opportunity" into a 30 second dunk hp grind and everyone logs off before combat happens.

Now combat always takes some time, and you don't need those super caps to get it, there are tears about "second jobs" and no fighting.

Reality is : previous sov had one fight per 600 opportunities because so many super caps, you can't win, why bother?
Current sov : has one fight per 600 opportunities because people in super caps can't move about quickly enough, so they don't want it

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Martin Corwin
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-08-16 03:15:02 UTC
solrac lara wrote:
I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.

Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious


First, nearly everyone and their preferred type of pet wanted a SOV system that rewarded actually living in your own space.

And they got that.

Now they're starting to realize that this means somebody has to stay at home while everyone else is out roaming. And they think that sucks. Of course they don't take that precaution and get frequent reinforcments from pilots in "cheap" 50m ISK interceptors. Which they whine about as they percieve it as griefing.

But griefing freighter pilots in highsec with only a bunch of cheapo catalysts or a CONCORD-protected Machariel is still OK.

No, I don't get it either. Straight
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#49 - 2015-08-16 04:27:32 UTC
the trollsov continues even to the forums, where you troll about sov mechanics

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#50 - 2015-08-16 08:38:02 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Most people are below average intelligence already, so those of us with any clue of what's going on are outnumbered.

Umm. How can "most" people be below average when by definition that category is always 50%?

That would be the median, not the average. If you have the values 1, 2, 3, and 10, the average of these values is 4, with most of the values being below the average.

IQ is a bell curve though, so the median and the average are the same.
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#51 - 2015-08-16 12:11:28 UTC
Isn't one of Eves motto's "adapt or die"?

I have never been involved in sov before, but it is something I am looking at doing in the near future, and I am reading what people are saying and seeing who seems to be adapting the best.

To me it appears that Imperium have dealt with it all the best so far, they have left every other alliance in their dust in terms of making changes before the release became active, consolidating their space and actually trying to respond to the new sov in the best way possible. Some other alliances should take note.

I listened to a lot of the round table. I feel many are being unfair on CCP, they constantly pointed out what the purpose of the round table was yet many failed to understand it and carried on raging like nobs. The game has changed- you need to get with it. yes there are a few issues that CCP acknowledge but throwing a tantrum like a five year old is not the way to get things sorted. Sending titan/ super cap/ cap fleets across the universe in 5 minutes is never going to happen again- get used to this new reality.

If your idea of dropping cap fleets on every single ship that gets within range of your sov, leads to noone coming near your sov space, you cant complain about lack of gudfites, when you have caused the problem yourself. Allow people to get in to nullspace and settle and build up so that they think they might have a decent chance of not getting entirely obliterated by you within the first 2 seconds of any fight.

There are more tweaks to come and further changes to come in the future, i think a lot of people need to calm down and revaluate what they are doing and how they need to change to get an active nullsec going again. I saw a map recently of how null has changed so far- i think its great and is exactly what is/was required to get people excited about moving to null.

I am one of those that never wanted to be in null space- it looked crap tbh. but now i excited about joining. and it looks like Imperium is the way forward

grr me
John Wolfcastle
Mining and Industry Society.
#52 - 2015-08-16 21:28:58 UTC
It's easy, defend your used space. Use your space to defend it properly (longer attack time, lesser vulnerbility). It should be possible to drive away trollceptors until that time window is over.
It's not bad, it just needs some smaller adjustments to the system, but imo, it's better then the old system.
Defend and Attack... defend and attack.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#53 - 2015-08-17 03:48:49 UTC
While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.

Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2015-08-17 03:50:25 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.

Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move

And then we will use all of those minerals mined in sov practice to build more supers.

Oh god, CCP, what have you done?
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#55 - 2015-08-17 06:21:12 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.

Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move

And then we will use all of those minerals mined in sov practice to build more supers.

Oh god, CCP, what have you done?

"Create content"

EDIT: People wanted supers to be cheaper, well if you mine it yourself...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Salvos Rhoska
#56 - 2015-08-17 09:06:19 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
the trollsov continues even to the forums, where you troll about sov mechanics

The irony is strong in this one.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#57 - 2015-08-17 13:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
I did get one thing wrong about my predictions.
I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.

No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Salvos Rhoska
#58 - 2015-08-17 15:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Sov is populated by four kinds of players:

1) Members of the established and deserved elite, with years of experience, a stable full of developed characters, and personal connection to others of the same. All things considered, these are the implacable and most hardcore and deserving players of EVE. Theyve seen and played through **** most of us only read about. Be afraid, because these guys know this game in and out, have the means and the connections to do anything and everything EVE has to offer.

Included here also are players whom are very good at what they do, such as FCs (and their finest most capable associated pilots), magnate industrialists, market gurus, logistics/organisation experts and general EVE wizards in all fields across the board.

These guys are few, but run the game.
o7

2) F1 monkeys, and pilots who enjoy the WoW-like mentality of being ordered around in a fleet by an FC, because they feel strong in numbers, want victory and "gudfights" but lack the incentive and capacity to do so for themselves. They join the winner, and feel like a loser if they cant. Altogether a massive cancer full of hacks that the above cant stand but have to deal with. These wannabe assholes are why fleets have voice comm restrictions. They ride on the coat-tails of giants, and quick to anger/discontent when things dont go their way. Some inspired and persistent few among them will rise to 1), but the most are just trash, peons and meat.

3) Smaller entities with idealistic pursuits, including recently (and admirably) various corps designed specifically for new player content. Leadership typically involves a few of 1), and in my opinion at least, they are the future of EVE in terms of providing sandbox content. Again, like em or not, they are building castles in the sand for established powers to kick over, at their own expense. May we all wish them well and success in their endevours!

4) Independant pilots with balls who end up either destroyed in their efforts or joining one of the above. Eventually graduate to 1-3), or return to HS till invariably they try again, or forget the game (WH, FW and LS also options).If you know your ****, anything is possible, eventually.

Conclusion?

Make your choice, but ultimately and most importantly, keep playing.
SP and know-how accumalates.
Defeat/failure only costs ISK and a bit of pride, but you gain far more experience than your loss.
Nobody made it to 1) without that.
The universe is yours, mine and theirs equally for the taking.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#59 - 2015-08-17 16:01:16 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I did get one thing wrong about my predictions.
I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.

No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space.

But... they are willing to do it to troll the space (specifically the people holding space I guess)

Op success Big smile

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Salvos Rhoska
#60 - 2015-08-17 16:33:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I did get one thing wrong about my predictions.
I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.

No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space.

But... they are willing to do it to troll the space (specifically the people holding space I guess)

Op success Big smile

This is getting very boring, very fast.

If you have solutions, post em.
If not, you aint offering much except uninspired trolling that doesnt even antagonize, rather just bores.

Trolling 101, always use some real bait.
You are fishing with nothing on your hook...