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Petition: Remove Slaves from the SCC Markets.

Author
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#321 - 2015-08-16 21:44:55 UTC
1,022,541 Slaves. Purchased not from Imperial markets, but from the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel.

I do not need Imperial slave markets to glorify God in the destruction of slaves. And these slaves will glorify God in their destruction. Amen. Amarr Victor.
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#322 - 2015-08-16 22:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: The Leopardess
Nauplius wrote:
1,022,541 Slaves. Purchased not from Imperial markets, but from the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel.

I do not need Imperial slave markets to glorify God in the destruction of slaves. And these slaves will glorify God in their destruction. Amen. Amarr Victor.


Amarr Victor

Nauplius you need to be trained properly in slave indoctrination techniques otherwise this is a sin. They must be granted the opportunity to have a trial of faith before death. What you are doing is similar to the very early days of the Empire except you are dealing with slaves from the Angel Cartel and we were dealing with slaves from the Khanid.

It's not legal in Amarr proper, you know. I'm not going to quibble too much with your choice of putting them to death because you clearly will not change your mind about it and our best cannot find your clone bays. However, I advise you to take a good course as a slaver through a traditional Amarrian school, then you can at least do this stuff properly. And also I would advise taking a business course so that you can figure out something constructive and profitable to do that benefits Amarr with the ones that do accept God, or ones you judge to possibly be able to accept God in the future.

In this fallen world, nothing is as God intended. It is deeply marred by sin and until Completion comes we must follow the way as closely as possible. Also Crusading must be an act of Love for God's creation and you seem to be fostering only hatred which is irreconcilable. I think that it also polarizes others into thinking that Love cannot be paired with War and Retribution.

This righteous fury of Amarr has been at the heart of our church since the beginning. There were crimes committed back then, just like the ones which you are committing to the history books. But never has such an overwhelming amount of apathy amongst Amarrians been present towards a proper Reclamation effort. I do not think capsuleer opinions represent the will of the people.

The people wanted a Sarum on the throne more than anyone else, and there are very specific reasons for that. And I would like to see reformations in the Crusade to further empower more aggressive capsuleers so that they can have a place in the world of Amarr as God wills it. Also I would see free markets for Amarr. The people of Amarr are chosen by God and they will use the advantages of a free market in the most moral way. Even if one made it illegal to transport slaves across the Caldari border, it would lead to needless hassle for travellers and diplomats who need to take their slaves with them.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#323 - 2015-08-16 22:53:42 UTC
The Leopardess wrote:
The people wanted a Sarum on the throne more than anyone else, and there are very specific reasons for that.


Like... showing up with a completely inexplicable superweapon to blow up a fleet of enemy ships that'd made the Amarr people feel weak and afraid?

Yep. Reasons. Pure insecure, abject terror, and a fig leaf toward nationalistic pride. That's reasons!
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#324 - 2015-08-16 23:36:37 UTC
You clearly do not understand us and until you convert, you will never understand the Amarr people. Be he farmer or soldier, the Amarr people understand War and they understand Vengeance. The Empress speaks to the heart of the people because God is there in them and God is with her.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#325 - 2015-08-17 00:28:59 UTC
The Leopardess wrote:
You clearly do not understand us and until you convert, you will never understand the Amarr people. Be he farmer or soldier, the Amarr people understand War and they understand Vengeance. The Empress speaks to the heart of the people because God is there in them and God is with her.


Yawwwwn.

Tell you what, chickie, when you've actually seen war, come back and tell me how the simplest Amarr farmer understands it.
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#326 - 2015-08-17 22:10:00 UTC
You're right I have flown in only a few fleets but I look forward to the day when I have enough experience to meet scum like you in glorious combat.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#327 - 2015-08-17 22:21:47 UTC
The Leopardess wrote:
You're right I have flown in only a few fleets but I look forward to the day when I have enough experience to meet scum like you in glorious combat.


Be careful what you wish for...
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#328 - 2015-08-21 19:33:12 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
The Leopardess wrote:
You're right I have flown in only a few fleets but I look forward to the day when I have enough experience to meet scum like you in glorious combat.


Be careful what you wish for...


And the very next day kitty leaves Imperial Dreams for a core holding corporation. Odd.

Is she more likely to go into action against the Imperium in such a place I wonder?

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Remus Vosk
Doomheim
#329 - 2015-08-22 17:00:20 UTC
Not signed.

As much as I respect my Amarr allies and their faith. Nothing should stand in the way of free enterprise and commercial activity. Those who have worked hard to establish their business on the selling and buying of slaves have a right to keep that business and not have it be cut out from under them. Think of how many families are fed, housed, and clothed because of this business. We must not allow those people to end up suffering because of some moral or religious stance.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#330 - 2015-08-23 06:50:53 UTC
Remus Vosk wrote:
Not signed.

As much as I respect my Amarr allies and their faith. Nothing should stand in the way of free enterprise and commercial activity. Those who have worked hard to establish their business on the selling and buying of slaves have a right to keep that business and not have it be cut out from under them. Think of how many families are fed, housed, and clothed because of this business. We must not allow those people to end up suffering because of some moral or religious stance.


While I maintain my opposition to this petition I feel compelled to note that the reasoning behind your stance is poor. Business interests do not usurp the sanctity of the institution of slavery and the fates of individuals in the material world do not undermine their freedom once it has been granted. To be more clear, slaves should not be held because they enrich the owner and slaves must not be kept past spiritual adulthood because their lives are more comfortable while held.

Your conclusion, as I see it, is right. But what value is a right conclusion when built upon false premises?

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#331 - 2015-08-23 06:58:47 UTC
Remus Vosk wrote:
Not signed.

As much as I respect my Amarr allies and their faith. Nothing should stand in the way of free enterprise and commercial activity. Those who have worked hard to establish their business on the selling and buying of slaves have a right to keep that business and not have it be cut out from under them. Think of how many families are fed, housed, and clothed because of this business. We must not allow those people to end up suffering because of some moral or religious stance.


As much as I respect the strong fundamentals of the State and those that comprise it, your opinion is bizarrely hypocritical. Limiting the 'purchase' of slaves--people themselves, although many would like to forget that damming fact--is a first step towards abolishing the practice entirely, especially when you're limiting it from us absurdly wealthy capsuleers. "Think of how many families are fed, housed, and clothed"? Think of how many families are born into bondage because of this practice. "We must not allow those people to end up suffering because of some moral or religious stance"? We must not these people to continue suffering because of a business or economic stance.

Signed.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Arrendis
TK Corp
#332 - 2015-08-23 08:05:04 UTC
Neph wrote:
Limiting the 'purchase' of slaves [...] is a first step towards abolishing the practice entirely, especially when you're limiting it from us absurdly wealthy capsuleers.


Not in this case.

In this case, the intent is to limit the trafficking in slaves to those with theological claims on those people in order to strengthen the institution. Not necessarily to render it beyond criticism - the public opinions of the institution aren't even considered. But this is definitely a petition intended to make slavery healthier, not abolish it.
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#333 - 2015-08-23 11:16:14 UTC
Providence is NRDS, I still work there, some of my factories are still there. The CVA overreached their political and theological authority with me in a very stupid incident I won't repeat here as it is fairly tedious.

But suffice it to say, yes, if the Imperium invaded, which they won't, of course I would stand against them. They are an absurd charade, a mockery of the Empire, a blight on the face of nullsec, a refuge of heretics and infidels.

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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#334 - 2015-08-23 11:40:29 UTC
The Leopardess wrote:
The CVA overreached their political and theological authority with me in a very stupid incident I won't repeat here as it is fairly tedious.

That you constantly overreach your political and theological authority in public is much closer to the truth. CVA didn't overreach at all and you're ill advised to try to make them look bad in this: You brought this upon yourself.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#335 - 2015-08-23 11:53:09 UTC
The Leopardess wrote:
But suffice it to say, yes, if the Imperium invaded, which they won't, of course I would stand against them. They are an absurd charade, a mockery of the Empire, a blight on the face of nullsec, a refuge of heretics and infidels.


Sure you will, kitten.
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#336 - 2015-08-23 11:56:04 UTC  |  Edited by: The Leopardess
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
The Leopardess wrote:
The CVA overreached their political and theological authority with me in a very stupid incident I won't repeat here as it is fairly tedious.

That you constantly overreach your political and theological authority in public is much closer to the truth. CVA didn't overreach at all and you're ill advised to try to make them look bad in this: You brought this upon yourself.



I chose to leave. I was asked not to. So yes, I did bring this on myself. Oh my you are a little gossiper arn't you? That the individual overreached was the opinion of the CVA officials to me in closing. You don't even know your neighbors that well do you?

At this rate Max might as well just waltz in and burn it to the ground, you'll all be busy congratulating each other on how much gossip you have to bring to the tea party to bother with combat maneuvers.

Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque, more like Societas Imperialis Crustulum Te

The only theological authority I recognize is the Theology Council. Are you inventing a new religion or something?

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#337 - 2015-08-23 12:03:44 UTC
The Leopardess wrote:
I chose to leave. I was asked not to. So yes, I did bring this on myself. Oh my you are a little gossiper arn't you? That the individual overreached was the opinion of the CVA officials to me in closing. You don't even know your neighbors that well do you?

At this rate Max might as well just waltz in and burn it to the ground, you'll all be busy congratulating each other on how much gossip you have to bring to the tea party to bother with combat maneuvers.

Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque, more like Societas Imperialis Crustulum Te

The only theological authority I recognize is the Theology Council. Are you inventing a new religion or something?


And here we see the mighty kitten seeding the ground so that later she can reap an endless number of rationalizations for why she didn't defend the region...
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#338 - 2015-08-23 12:03:58 UTC
Please take this argument somewhere else.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#339 - 2015-08-23 12:05:20 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Please take this argument somewhere else.


Quite right. My apologies, Lieutenant.
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#340 - 2015-08-23 12:38:31 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
The Leopardess wrote:
I chose to leave. I was asked not to. So yes, I did bring this on myself. Oh my you are a little gossiper arn't you? That the individual overreached was the opinion of the CVA officials to me in closing. You don't even know your neighbors that well do you?

At this rate Max might as well just waltz in and burn it to the ground, you'll all be busy congratulating each other on how much gossip you have to bring to the tea party to bother with combat maneuvers.

Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque, more like Societas Imperialis Crustulum Te

The only theological authority I recognize is the Theology Council. Are you inventing a new religion or something?


And here we see the mighty kitten seeding the ground so that later she can reap an endless number of rationalizations for why she didn't defend the region...



I'm still docked here, been here for months, and nothing has happened. I go on the combat fleets and nothing has happened. So I'm here and I will fight, cowardice is actually not one of my vices.

Is bloodlust and heresy one of yours? What excuse do you have for threatening the lives of millions of innocent lives down here? Oh it's to find an phantom that doesn't exist. You're treading on very thin ice threatening Amarr's backyard, the Holy Land of God. The excuses are not mine, but yours. First you wanted to invade Providence because of the Empress. Now she's gone - it's about a phantom body...there will always be another excuse for you people.


You know as well as your "Pope" knows that innocents will die and you will forever be hated by the Amarrian people, forever barred from the Kingdom of God and forever damned to live eternally in darkness until you biomass your possibly soulless walking corpse.

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