Intergalactic Summit

Thank you sir for your...kind words.

And some valid questions.

To be very brief:

The Majority of slaves within the Empire are Minmatar. Most are born into the position. The Empire does make new slaves from prisoners of war and slavery is used as a punishment for criminals. Some Holders buy and sell on the open (SCC) markets. The profession of "Slaver," a person authorized by the Empire to acquire, buy and sell "Controlled Personnel" has waned since the inception of the CONCORD treaties. They still exist and you can still hire them on SCC markets, but mostly these days new Controlled Personnel are taken by the Nobility, high-ranking military figures or high-ranking clergy.

In the interests of your cultural diversity, legal slavery within the Kingdom of Khanid has a few notable differences. First is that we don't border Minmatar space. So we haven't had near as much opportunity to get new stock from the Republic. So, we've had to adapt. That meant taking Controlled Personnel from everywhere else. This has left the Kingdom with a much more diverse slave stock than the Empire. We made many more from prisoners of war or criminals. We use slavers more often and raid into NullSec to acquire new stock.

As in the Empire, Holders are the primary legal owners of slaves. However, the Kingdom is somewhat more liberal with slave ownership, openly allowing non-nobles to own slaves should they be capable of affording them. The SCC treaties helped make this possible. It's rare. Capsuleer ownership is rare too, but gaining popularity.

At what point do the rights of other nations who oppose slavery take over? At the border. CONCORD and local border patrols make sure to levy fines on ships who try to transport Controlled Personnel out of the Empire or in from NullSec.

In the Ammatar Mandate, it's even more weird. Traditionally, the Mandate slave owners were primarily Minmatar. Over the years, especially after more Amarr Holders began living there, it looks a lot more like the Empire proper. There are still Ammatar (Matari) owners, but they are no longer the majority and they've settled into a quiet working relationship with their Amarr neighbors (if you ever want to start a bar fight in Amarr, drop the words "Ammatar Holder" and watch what happens).

Your last point is a can of worms. Amarr Conservatives will tell you exactly that all must be reclaimed. This makes our friends in the State nervous, so they don't usually say it much in mixed company. In that light, the Light of God, Amarr does overshadow the rest of humanity.

The point of it all is that my associates among the Amarr conservatives, those who have argued here the loudest about this petition and how it should be only Holders owning slaves, are correct in their quotations of Scripture, but blind to the realities of the galaxy we live in. Our governments, Amarr and Khanid, signed willingly our treaties with CONCORD, the SCC and the other four (now three) main governments. Traditionally, as much as we follow our Faith and our Scriptures, we should not be questioning the words of our leaders. Especially in public. If they want to go against the Will of the Empire, that's on them. Me? I'll follow my King and my God and the Laws of my People.

You have decieved me for the last time mokk! You hear me? The last time!

Oh for goodness sakes, the Caldari State treats their employees worse than my family treats its slaves. I hardly think they would find the Reclamation that bad. Anyways in my opinion they're already slaves to Amarr. I can't imagine life without Caldari technology. Sometimes micromanaging is not management at all.


As for the scriptures and Holders, it also states that one should obey one's betters. I find that if the Holders or the Heirs want their subjects to own slaves, such as my Mother, God bless her with long life, and His Holiness King Khanid II, Lord of the Marches, may the Lord grant him strength, then who are we lessers to argue with them?

I would like to point out that my family immediately obeyed her Holiness Jamyl Sarum's edict on 9th generation slaves gladly, and provided them with transport to the Republic if they wished or a home and a job in the constellation they grew up in.

So if an edict came down about it, which it has not, then the faithful Holders would bend to that will. I think many more economically minded people above me realize it would be a bureaucratic disaster and stifle progress.

I truly hate that I cannot go on a religious retreat anymore without having to check and see what is happening back home. However, I will say that so far, Samira might as well be posting from my own talking points.
Except the whip not chip slogan. That is not mine. Though, I do feel that all slaves should be treated in such a manner as to reclaim them for God so that one day they, or their descendants will serve God as free subjects of the Empire.

Not screwed up enough to deny the Empress and threaten to kill the faithful for not bending to some nullsec tyrant's will.

I am neither anti slavery nor anti authority. I believe that slaves should be owned and cared for by holders and duly appointed custodians and not random capsuleers who intend sacrifice them en mass as part of some Sani Sabik ritual.

We are not anti-slavery. What we are opposed to are the liberal business practices and free market economies that you promote.

We who are fighting for this are in favor of regulation, restoration of traditional values, and upholding of Scriptural law. We are pro-slavery.



I have been whipped and beaten for when I have failed to uphold my obligations. I have scars both overseer- and self-inflicted to prove my faith and punish my transgressions.

I am grateful to have been born in a place where Scriptural law is upheld above all other things. I am blessed to have been born in His Highness the Heir Ardishapur's demesne, where I could be brought up in accordance with God's will.

I am very grateful that I was not raised in a place where material interests are placed above spiritual pursuits.

You do realize that the SCC's practices are what allows slaves to be taken out of Amarr and sent to battle against us? Every slave that is purchased by a foreigner is a slave that is taken out of Amarr and into the hands of those who have no right to hold them and no fealty to Amarr or God.

Silly nutbar. We haven't done either of those.

Deny the Empress? No no, she's the Empress. We've just said she shouldn't be.

Threaten to kill the faithful? Faugh. We haven't threatened to kill anyone.

We've just made an offer. An offer not to kill you if you bend the knee. I mean, you don't threaten to clean up the refuse or use the latrine. But you might offer not to make a mess when you do it.

A threat would indicate there's something else we want, that you can offer. The offer makes it pretty clear it's simply something we're willing to indulge in.

Fair enough. I can respect that - you keep to yours, I'll keep to mine. I don't particularly like slavery, seems like a cop-out to me. I'm a particular fan of Caldari Meritocracy so, 'Reclaiming' or not the concept of ownership of another human being to do my dirty work is a bit paltry. Don't get me wrong, my value and compassion for other individuals has waned over the years (dying a few thousand times does that to a person) so that's not at all the reasonings behind my views. I'm just not a fan of laziness, really.

But, I also respect boundaries. You want to enslave your own people, be my guest, but let's just say that if I catch you or yours in Molden Heath trying to pull that number on our worlds... that pod won't save you from what I'll do.