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what is wrong in this idea

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blizarus facto
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-08-16 03:30:49 UTC
I had that idea of attacking mining vesals in low-sec, I looked in the map where I can find where the most poeple are but aprerantly low-sec is preaty dead, and where you do have some poeple I can't find any miners.

what is my idea wrong?
maybe I should search in worm-hole space?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2015-08-16 04:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
You're idea isn't wrong, it's just the same as everyone else in lowsec.

Everyone attacks miners in lowsec, so mining in lowsec isn't something people just do. You'll have more luck roaming nullsec looking for miners working on industrial indexes for sov than finding a lot of miners in lowsec.

But really, if you want to attack miners, highsec is probably the best place to find targets that won't be prepared for it.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-08-16 05:03:16 UTC
Pretty well summed up. Miners often congregate in herds too and will swarm you with drones if you mess with them. Then they have defense fleets. I'll give you some free intel: check out OX- and 4-C in scalding pass for miners. Be ready with a plan for the 20 man defense fleet that will come after you, though. (I suggest a fast nano-cruiser with high dps)
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-08-16 05:16:14 UTC
Join a mining corp with a mining character and then you'll know where to find them on your alt. hth
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#5 - 2015-08-16 05:19:59 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
You're idea isn't wrong, it's just the same as everyone else is lowsec.

Everyone attacks miners in lowsec, so mining in lowsec isn't something people just do.

Sounds like they need something to shake up lowsec

some fatigue perhaps

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Galactic Rangers
#6 - 2015-08-16 06:19:44 UTC
blizarus facto wrote:
I had that idea of attacking mining vesals in low-sec, I looked in the map where I can find where the most poeple are but aprerantly low-sec is preaty dead, and where you do have some poeple I can't find any miners.

what is my idea wrong?
maybe I should search in worm-hole space?


as suggested to you yesterday in another thread where you called 2 people a gang, go watch some PVP videos on youtube.
your ship setups need work.
your knowledge of game mechanics needs work.


Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#7 - 2015-08-16 06:56:38 UTC
No problem, everything's fine.

Go out and ~become content~

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-08-16 08:02:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
You're idea isn't wrong, it's just the same as everyone else is lowsec.

Everyone attacks miners in lowsec, so mining in lowsec isn't something people just do.

Sounds like they need something to shake up lowsec

some fatigue perhaps



Mining lazorz activation fatigue plz.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2015-08-16 08:51:37 UTC
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-08-16 09:02:57 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
There is mining fatigue it's called boredom.


I see a conspiracy if more than one GSF member is replying in one thread...

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-08-16 09:56:06 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
There is mining fatigue it's called boredom.


I see a conspiracy if more than one GSF member is replying in one thread...

How much aluminum do you go through?

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Isajah
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-08-16 10:54:25 UTC
blizarus facto wrote:
I had that idea of attacking mining vesals in low-sec, I looked in the map where I can find where the most poeple are but aprerantly low-sec is preaty dead, and where you do have some poeple I can't find any miners.

what is my idea wrong?
maybe I should search in worm-hole space?



attacking miners is where you are wrong.

Me wants Comet mining

Arla Sarain
#13 - 2015-08-16 12:00:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
You're idea isn't wrong, it's just the same as everyone else is lowsec.

Everyone attacks miners in lowsec, so mining in lowsec isn't something people just do.

Sounds like they need something to shake up lowsec

some fatigue perhaps

Give us entosis links.

LS bichs love entosis links.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2015-08-16 12:03:03 UTC
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-08-16 12:13:13 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
hey guess what, you can say bitches here.

*****.


Makes me kind of sad, actually.
Avoiding the wordfilter by saying "female dogs" instead was so much funnier...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-08-16 12:14:34 UTC
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-08-16 12:29:42 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
blizarus facto wrote:
I had that idea of attacking mining vesals in low-sec, I looked in the map where I can find where the most poeple are but aprerantly low-sec is preaty dead, and where you do have some poeple I can't find any miners.

what is my idea wrong?
maybe I should search in worm-hole space?



What is wrong is that few people mine in lowsec, due to all the roaming solo pvp'ers and gangs. So you have few targets. The second think that is wrong is that most miners in lowsec will able to avoid you( see how, further on in text)

I mine sometimes on an alt to produce my own t1 frigates, when i don't feel like pvp'ing (on another alt).

What I normally do, is to only mine in a quiet system where I am the only one in local to start with. When someone drops in, I align station and spam my dscan. If they get closer and closer on Dscan I ready myself. If they land on grid I insta-warp to my insta-dock in station. If they leave system I go back, if not I log onto my pvp or station trading alt or play another game.

good luck catching that!

If most miners do like this it means that it will be near impossible to kill an observant miner in lowsec. I think that the few people who mine in lowsec are probably the hardest miners to catch, as they live in a almost 100% pvp environment. So they have to be aware the whole time.

Another aspect is that I have only seen procurers in my slice of lowsec. Even if you would land on a procurer, they will most likely have some kind of tank so it will be hard to alpha them before they warp. I also fit mine with warp core stabs(I assume I am not the only one capable of this). So you would also have problems stopping me from warping away even if I weren't prealigned.

You might have more luck in high sec (perhaps talk to some of the CODE guys, they do this on an everyday basis) or try in nulsec(Don't know if that would work with the info channels and so on?).

If you really really really only want to kill miners in lowsec you might have a better chance if you "trojan horse" approach them in a mining ship yourself with 2 scrams or something and chat them up in local so they think you won't attack them. Procurer can be pretty nasty if you have good drone skills.

Though most likely another guy like you, would attack your procurer before you can attack another procurer :D

I don't know if it would be possible to alpha them on dock(if they don't have an insta dock bookmark)? you can play around with EFT and calculate how many alpha gank ships(arty fit minmatar ships, are often used) you would need. Also calculate in that the ships should be able to tank the station guns, and if that is worth the effort for you.

TLDR: You have picked very rare and aware targets in lowsec, that almost have total control of if they want to be engaged or not (outside of gatecamps that is).

Sounds like a waste of time to me(would rather try one of the other secs). But if you want to do it any way, go ahead and good luck. There is enough sand in the sandbox for everyone and their weird fetishes

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2015-08-16 15:19:29 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
You might have more luck in high sec (perhaps talk to some of the CODE guys, they do this on an everyday basis) or try in nulsec(Don't know if that would work with the info channels and so on?).

Highsec has the fun untanked exhumers (T2 barges) so yeah.

Nullsec tends to have the group/multiboxed skiff type, which means a swarm of painful drones and probably a quick death even for a group of attackers.

sero Hita wrote:
There is enough sand in the sandbox for everyone and their weird fetishes

Well, certain ones need to be nerfed...

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