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AT XIII RULING: Together We Solo vs Gone Critical - Team Warp-in

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Braden Fanguard
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-08-15 22:58:31 UTC
Sorry CCP, but this is a bullshit ruling. They broke the rules and should be punished, not rewarded. Bad call.
Tacia Andrean
Blackout Brigade
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2015-08-15 23:03:32 UTC
Transmaritanus wrote:


  • 100km warp in would make a significant difference if we were in a kiting fleet; however we were clearly in a brawl fleet, as we barely moved from our start position.



I too usually warp my brawl comps in at 100km.

You barely moved from your start position because--based on your widow fit--you didn't have propmods of any kind. You didn't have an option of moving anywhere. You were, again based on your widow fit, using long-range weapons.

Calling Rattlesnake, 2x Scorpion NI, and Widow warped in at 100km with long-range weapons a brawling fleet isn't even a bad joke, it's just a straight up lie.
Marsha Mallow
#23 - 2015-08-15 23:04:55 UTC
You need to replay matches like this and build some time into the schedule to allow for it.

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Summer VonSturm
Serenity Shipyards
The Glory Holers
#24 - 2015-08-15 23:10:40 UTC
Its rare I post on the forums, but this is an terrible, terrible choice.
You simply cannot allow a team that has cheated, and won, to continue on in the tournament. How can you possibly then punish the next team caught cheating?
At the very least, replay the match. As it stands, the whole integrity of the tourney is skewed badly.
Le Mittani
Free Ritto
#25 - 2015-08-15 23:17:55 UTC
I really didn't think my opinion of ccp could go any lower after that farce of a town hall meeting, and then here comes this. You let a team cheat, and win because of that cheating, and then not punish them. :ccp: strikes again
AgentHawk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-08-15 23:18:43 UTC
IF BOTH PARTIES ARE FINE WITH THE OUTCOME THEN WHAT CAN WE DO?

I WAS NOT AWARE BOTH PARTIES DID NOT GIVE A **** ABOUT THE 50km DIFFERENCE

IN THE FUTURE, CCP you should let us KNOW that the parties are OK with this CLEARLY controversial ruling


to avoid posts like mine, and everyone elses, and all the reddit posts and my TEST alliance jabber pings
Talia Soucu
Monkeys Violating the Heavenly Temple
#27 - 2015-08-15 23:20:43 UTC
handige harrie wrote:
What new hidden rules we learned in Day 1:

1. Teams can do whatever they want, as long as you are the first team doing it, you'll get off with a warning.



Yeah. I guess the next thing to do is try to smuggle in pirate implant sets, Marauders with a Bastion module, and T2 combat drones. Even if you get caught, not like anything bad will happen.
Scrubwolfe
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-08-15 23:22:44 UTC
Welcome to AT XIII, the tournament where the rules don't matter and the points are made up.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#29 - 2015-08-15 23:27:24 UTC
.... Redo the Match...

Basically the easiest fix you can do.

Redo the match, or both teams get a buy into the next round (only other option since CCP ruled the team goes forward regardless).

Yaay!!!!
Ryuuji Ibarazaki
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-08-15 23:29:52 UTC
git gud ccp
Nelly Ooze
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-08-15 23:32:51 UTC
Can I bring an Archon to our next match?

I mean, rules are meant to be broken, right?
Aethus148
QA and AE Certified Public Accountants
#32 - 2015-08-15 23:36:15 UTC
#justiceforGNCRI
Summer VonSturm
Serenity Shipyards
The Glory Holers
#33 - 2015-08-15 23:38:25 UTC
AgentHawk wrote:
IF BOTH PARTIES ARE FINE WITH THE OUTCOME THEN WHAT CAN WE DO?

I WAS NOT AWARE BOTH PARTIES DID NOT GIVE A **** ABOUT THE 50km DIFFERENCE

IN THE FUTURE, CCP you should let us KNOW that the parties are OK with this CLEARLY controversial ruling


to avoid posts like mine, and everyone elses, and all the reddit posts and my TEST alliance jabber pings


Whether or not the teams are happy about it, shouldn't be relevant. The rules are there for all to adhere to.
If the next couple of fights, both teams are happy to break the points limit, or fitting restrictions, is that ok?
Of course not.
Tallardar
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-08-15 23:44:19 UTC
So PL are allowed to field their whole titan and super fleet right? I mean, the rules don't seem to be enforced so what's going to happen if the team members are in those ships?

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#35 - 2015-08-15 23:47:23 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
Wouldn't it be prudent to redo the match out of fairness?
Indeed.

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Tiberian Deci
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-08-15 23:56:24 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:

After review and discussion by the tournament team, we have decided to let the result of the match stand. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.


Just dropping in to say I think this is a terrible stand to take. It's double elimination, give the cheating team a loss, give the losing team a win, and the team that now has a loss continues through their bracket.
Mostlyharmlesss
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-08-15 23:59:28 UTC
First round of matches, two teams breaking the rules and neither getting punished. This is starting out well.

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Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-08-16 00:00:48 UTC
I think it would be fair to replay the match to be honest. Looks like most people agree.

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Sub Starasque
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-08-16 00:02:59 UTC
So explain to me why there should even be rules in the first place if you have no intention of upholding them?
Valc
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#40 - 2015-08-16 00:07:04 UTC
interesting looking back on the punishment of hydra and outbreak and they didnt even break anyrules . very curious, in my eyes this was an easy decision, you cheat you lose thats how every sport match up goes. this isnt a small violation at all. everyone knows range is a game changer in this game