Out of Pod Experience

That name always elicits a sigh of regret from me. Ultima Online, same thing.

Valcyn then got moved to Eclipse...

I still play it.

I remember Starsider server, it was a great place and I don't think the emulator could capture what I liked , for me it was more about the people I played with rather than the game itself, and now that the official servers are long gone and those players have scattered to the winds it will be very difficult to reproduce what made SWG special.

NGE=New Game Entirely.


I do miss SWG pre CU tho.



I like HumBugs.

NGE= negative game enhancement! lol

My feelings were from some of my research was the NGE was crammed down SOE's throat by Lucas Arts. It came way too sudden and out of the blue compared to everything else SOE did in that game. Toward the end of the game SOE had done a pretty good job of patching it back together and making a somewhat decent game of it but it still wasnt as good as pre NGE.

I know the people working on it do this for free in their spare time but havent they been working on this for over 10yrs and they just finished creature handler? At this rate JTL will never come.

pre patch 9 bloodfin crew checking in

but that's exactly what it is, actually

i never played SWG, by the time it was out, i think i was in EnB, and then i came to eve when EnB closed in 04/

So i'm not 100% sure what the main issue for the hate of the NGE was.. iirc wasn't it that all the jedi and sith who had spend months or years (depending) gaining levels and building out there chars were suddenly non existent cause any noob could become a jedi/sith and be max lvl real fast?

Yep, that was probably one of the biggest issues, they ripped out the skill tree system for a class system something like you'd find in WoW. The skill tree system was essentially an EVE type system, training one skill to unlock another to train. They were categorized by classes but you can train any skills from many class to mix and match however you wanted to build. There was a cap, but unlike EVE the amount of skills were more limited, 100's instead of 1000's. A lot more skills than UO had though.

But there were a lot of other issues (or detriments), Jedi wasn't really much of a problem. That effected a very small percentage of the player-base, as there were not many that unlocked Jedi anyway. Most didn't even want to unlock Jedi. The game would have done better without them at all, as SW canon is more in line with and which most recognized.

But if you heard a bit of players complaining thinking Jedi was the problem, I wouldn't doubt you heard that from them. To unlock Jedi, you essentially had to have no life whatsoever. So, essentially you had very young and compulsive people unlocking Jedi (not all of them) and whining about almost everything since that was mostly the entirety of their lives. whine whine whine whine, seriously. All the whining and all the tears, it made it irresistible for players to train bounty hunters to hunt them down and perma-kill them!

But, people that like EVE, I know many of them would of liked SWG. The two games had a lot in common. A lot of SWG players came here after NGE. I'll dig up the graph here... http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
Notice the data points between EVE and SWG. The SWG slide happened at the NGE data point, sliding as long term subscriptions had already been abandoned at that point and eventually running out. SWG and EVE make a big X in the chart, many SWG players jumped ship to EVE. Likely, half that stuck around SWG did so due to having the SOE all access pass, mostly playing other games. I had one at the time, but I just canceled the whole thing at that point. SOE was ripping all their games to shreds at that point, wasn't worth the $22/mo any longer. SOE isn't even around any longer, they punked their subscribers around for too long.