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Griefers, Stop moaning

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#81 - 2015-08-12 08:56:34 UTC
Robert De Lyse wrote:
wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers

What a surprise.


I don't see any griefers. Griefing is something strictly defined as being against the rules by CCP, and is not in evidence here.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#82 - 2015-08-12 09:06:00 UTC
We're bored and kinda stopped taking you seriously a while ago.
So now we amuse ourselves due to you being unable to do the job.
Also, no griefers in EVE, they're all playing on Minecraft public servers.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#83 - 2015-08-12 09:08:51 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
We're bored and kinda stopped taking you seriously a while ago.
So now we amuse ourselves due to you being unable to do the job.
Also, no griefers in EVE, they're all playing on Minecraft public servers.


Can confirm, some little toad built a 200 block high wiener on my server last month, and somehow made it shoot sheep or cats or something out of the top constantly. I wish I was kidding.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#84 - 2015-08-12 09:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Robert De Lyse wrote:
wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers

What a surprise.
You called people cowards, hypocrites and, in another thread, a bunch of see you next tuesdays, why are you surprised at their hostile responses?

I guarantee you that if you did the same in real life you'd probably be sat in the A&E department of your local hospital counting how many teeth you've got left.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#85 - 2015-08-12 11:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Tarojan wrote:

The current state of play is that the high sec pvp community has such an apparantly high bar of entry , which the odds stacked so high against the pvers, that those who want a mixed game of pve/pvp are better served dodging war decs and just going to low sec for fun and pew pew. Wouldn't it be so much better if we got rid of concord, war decs and armed pve ships to not be flying coffins if pvped? This is a pvp game right? so why not make ALL ships pvp wether for fight or for flight?

This happened when they changed wars to have a 2500% higher base cost and added the ally system that unilaterally benefits the defender.

The higher pay barrier caused low skill or low income aggressors to join larger groups to spread the costs around. The ally system made being the aggressor so much more potentially dangerous that it became virtual suicide for anyone but a dedicated pvp group to declare war at all.

It's a situation wrought out of a misguided attempt to nerf highsec aggression. Instead of achieving it's actual goal it just put highsec PVP groups in a position where they have an absolute monopoly on combat in highsec.

I don't expect it to be fixed, ever. I expect any future changes to exclusively involve more nerfs of a similar nature and for the situation to just become more extreme.

Also your best option if you're at war with BAW is to try and kill N1ghtw1ng, he's always suspect flagged, often not on comms and has no links or reps, he's also someone's son and gets yelled at irl if he dies. Alternatively put up a POCO somewhere and Shadowgirl9 will attempt to reinforce it solo in a faction battelship in the EU timezone while the rest of the alliance is sleeping. I also flyy Barghest around unscouted pretty often.

There's lots of reasonable options of things to do other than running and hiding for people who are inclined to actually try. But trying is hard and calling a situation impossible and giving up is easy.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#86 - 2015-08-12 16:15:58 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing


Which is why a lot probably stay in NPC corps. If it wasn't for players choosing to suicide NPC corp. players they would be free from all combat PvP.

I don't see the issue being the players so much but the way high-sec is set up, one of the reasons I don't intend to stay in high-sec. High-sec is kind of an odd place for a PvP game, but I guess it depends what CCP is really trying to do with it. Of which that I don't know.


yeah and npc corps are another thing which need fixed, they are anti-social

You know what else needs to be fixed? The fact that you haven't fought Leto in Thunderdome yet.
Get on it Lan, we're tired of waiting!

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Robert De Lyse
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2015-08-12 17:32:10 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Tarojan wrote:

The current state of play is that the high sec pvp community has such an apparantly high bar of entry , which the odds stacked so high against the pvers, that those who want a mixed game of pve/pvp are better served dodging war decs and just going to low sec for fun and pew pew. Wouldn't it be so much better if we got rid of concord, war decs and armed pve ships to not be flying coffins if pvped? This is a pvp game right? so why not make ALL ships pvp wether for fight or for flight?

This happened when they changed wars to have a 2500% higher base cost and added the ally system that unilaterally benefits the defender.

The higher pay barrier caused low skill or low income aggressors to join larger groups to spread the costs around. The ally system made being the aggressor so much more potentially dangerous that it became virtual suicide for anyone but a dedicated pvp group to declare war at all.

It's a situation wrought out of a misguided attempt to nerf highsec aggression. Instead of achieving it's actual goal it just put highsec PVP groups in a position where they have an absolute monopoly on combat in highsec.

I don't expect it to be fixed, ever. I expect any future changes to exclusively involve more nerfs of a similar nature and for the situation to just become more extreme.

Also your best option if you're at war with BAW is to try and kill N1ghtw1ng, he's always suspect flagged, often not on comms and has no links or reps, he's also someone's son and gets yelled at irl if he dies. Alternatively put up a POCO somewhere and Shadowgirl9 will attempt to reinforce it solo in a faction battelship in the EU timezone while the rest of the alliance is sleeping. I also flyy Barghest around unscouted pretty often.

There's lots of reasonable options of things to do other than running and hiding for people who are inclined to actually try. But trying is hard and calling a situation impossible and giving up is easy.



Sorry but that's bull, you NEVER fly un scouted and have been known to order alliance members to step away so u can get solo kills.

You are jsut like Tora, a liar and a scumbag, period
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#88 - 2015-08-12 17:53:56 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
We're bored and kinda stopped taking you seriously a while ago.
So now we amuse ourselves due to you being unable to do the job.
Also, no griefers in EVE, they're all playing on Minecraft public servers.


Can confirm, some little toad built a 200 block high wiener on my server last month, and somehow made it shoot sheep or cats or something out of the top constantly. I wish I was kidding.

Sounds more like art then greifing Cool

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#89 - 2015-08-12 18:07:21 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Tarojan wrote:

The current state of play is that the high sec pvp community has such an apparantly high bar of entry , which the odds stacked so high against the pvers, that those who want a mixed game of pve/pvp are better served dodging war decs and just going to low sec for fun and pew pew. Wouldn't it be so much better if we got rid of concord, war decs and armed pve ships to not be flying coffins if pvped? This is a pvp game right? so why not make ALL ships pvp wether for fight or for flight?

This happened when they changed wars to have a 2500% higher base cost and added the ally system that unilaterally benefits the defender.

The higher pay barrier caused low skill or low income aggressors to join larger groups to spread the costs around. The ally system made being the aggressor so much more potentially dangerous that it became virtual suicide for anyone but a dedicated pvp group to declare war at all.

It's a situation wrought out of a misguided attempt to nerf highsec aggression. Instead of achieving it's actual goal it just put highsec PVP groups in a position where they have an absolute monopoly on combat in highsec.

I don't expect it to be fixed, ever. I expect any future changes to exclusively involve more nerfs of a similar nature and for the situation to just become more extreme.

Also your best option if you're at war with BAW is to try and kill N1ghtw1ng, he's always suspect flagged, often not on comms and has no links or reps, he's also someone's son and gets yelled at irl if he dies. Alternatively put up a POCO somewhere and Shadowgirl9 will attempt to reinforce it solo in a faction battelship in the EU timezone while the rest of the alliance is sleeping. I also flyy Barghest around unscouted pretty often.

There's lots of reasonable options of things to do other than running and hiding for people who are inclined to actually try. But trying is hard and calling a situation impossible and giving up is easy.

And they stop doing all these things when they DEC us grr. No but seriously unless in a huge t3 and logo blob that shames most nullsec alliances there are always options to counter. Sometimes a huge blob of such ships is insurmountable by a small, low sp and/or poor group. If you are indeed a mixed group and willing to fight see if your aggressors will have some more fair fights. If you pissed them off or its a contract you made your bed already Blink

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#90 - 2015-08-12 18:10:24 UTC
Robert De Lyse wrote:


LOL - CCP wouldn't know what griefing meant if it:

Travelled to Iceland
Stripped Naked
Smack every CCP person in the face
Skull fecked them
Raped them
Pissed on them

They still wouldnt have a clue, u do realise that EvE is refered to as GRIEF CENTRAL by every other MMO and 99% of gaming websites hold this game in contempt?

Seems like you need to calm down, and then let your subscription expire.

Eve is clearly not the game for you. I think I can speak for many of us here if I say your crudely-expressed bitterness and anger will not be missed.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#91 - 2015-08-12 18:11:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Robert De Lyse wrote:
LOL - CCP wouldn't know what griefing meant if it:

Stuff that'll will no doubt be edited by the ISD team

They still wouldnt have a clue, u do realise that EvE is refered to as GRIEF CENTRAL by every other MMO and 99% of gaming websites hold this game in contempt?
Citation needed, most gaming websites seem to love the headlines that Eve generates, and the traffic that comes with them.

Quote:
There you go again, being vile as hell,
Pot, meet kettle.

Quote:
this is why people hate this game, it is uncalled for, why the hell do u feel the need to insult people?
More to the point, why do you feel the need to insult people and then get all defensive when they take offence at you being a massive douche canoe?

Can't stand the heat? GTFO out of the kitchen.

Edit ~ Removed some stuff to save the ISD team some work. All hail our ISD overlords.

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Noragen Neirfallas
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#92 - 2015-08-12 18:11:20 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Robert De Lyse wrote:

There you go again, being vile as hell, this is why people hate this game, it is uncalled for, why the hell do u feel the need to insult people?


Says the guy who made comments about all kinds of RL assault on CCP staff. Roll

I regret I was crafting a post while this comment was made and you beat me too this.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#93 - 2015-08-12 18:15:34 UTC
I have a feeling the cavalry has arrived in this thread. Go go gadget ISD!

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#94 - 2015-08-12 18:25:55 UTC
Robert De Lyse wrote:
wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers

What a surprise.

Here's the thing about "griefing" in EvE: CCP gets to define what constitutes "griefing", not you, not me, and not any of us here on the forum. What we denizens of C&P do in-game (i.e. wardec, suicide gank, can flip, mission flip, bump, hump, and generally annoy) is, for the most part, 100% legal under CCP's definition of "griefing". So you can complain about wardec mechanics all you like, but you have no standing to call us "griefers" for playing by the rules that CCP has laid out for us.

As the proprietor of a small hisec PvP corp, I would love nothing more than to see wardec prices go up based on aggressor membership numbers. Fewer large corps wardeccing smaller corps means less competition for me to wardec small corps. Twisted

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#95 - 2015-08-12 18:55:29 UTC
Robert De Lys3 wrote:

Sorry but that's bull, you NEVER fly un scouted and have been known to order alliance members to step away so u can get solo kills.

I'm trying to imagine myself as some insane authority figure who keeps his non-director peons on a tight leash.

Dispike: Vimsy, please may we get on this badger kill?
Rinth Naskingar: please, we let you have the last ten kills to yourself.
Vimsy Vortis: Silence, serfs you aren't worthy, if you want kills go alpha rookie ships in jita.

This fiction is hilarious to me, is it based on something you've heard or is it entirely your own fabrication?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#96 - 2015-08-12 19:00:33 UTC
Is this you OP? The posting style, glut of profanity and excessive butthurt about "griefing" seem very familiar.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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ISD Alliance
#97 - 2015-08-12 20:26:03 UTC
Unlocked the thread. Please continue enjoying your content, y'all.

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Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#98 - 2015-08-12 20:32:14 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Unlocked the thread. Please continue enjoying your content, y'all.


aww you da best!
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#99 - 2015-08-12 21:20:58 UTC
Robert De Lyse wrote:
have been known to order alliance members to step away so u can get solo kills.


Wait, have you ever been in the alliance End of Life? Because that's the only plausible explanation for this comment.

Also whatever, it's now an alliance meme that I'm some kind of whip cracking slave driver. I'm running with it.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#100 - 2015-08-13 03:17:07 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Unlocked the thread. Please continue enjoying your content, y'all.

2 thread unlocks in the same year... truly we are living in the end times

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