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Space Tornadoes? Planetary flight?

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Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-08-11 09:06:08 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GZQzrBaKA <-- Tornadoes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_JteBc01fA <-- planetside cruising

Came across these videos after an hour or so of roaming through the EVE part of YT. Do these things still exist?

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#2 - 2015-08-11 09:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
The tornadoes I'm not sure if they're still in. A few sites looked like that, but haven't visited/seen them in a long time. Also Recon 3/3 has a green tornado (but been a long time since I've had that mission)

Atmospheric flight on the other hand was nothing more then a teaser, never got real. You can fly really low over planets without any effects (or even fly through them!)

There's a ton of cool features that got featured in teaser rtailers by CCP but never got realized ( Better WiS, not like this one room gimmick we got; Ring Mining, better damage models, fancier UI's, fancier effects, etc)

In short, if CCP releases a trailer featuring 'future stuff we like to implement' treat it as a teaser, nothing more as chances it will get implemented will be low (and if it does, it's generally in reduced form, see PI teasers vs how we know it today)

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#3 - 2015-08-11 09:34:09 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
... In short, if CCP releases a trailer featuring 'future stuff we like to implement' treat it as a teaser pipe dream, nothing more as chances it will get implemented will be low (and if it does, it's generally in reduced form, see PI teasers vs how we know it today)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-08-11 10:04:42 UTC
Oh. That kind of sucks.
I compared the WiS teaser to the real deal... It was so nice. I mean, strip bar and interaction with other players? That sounded like real fun :((

"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."

Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#5 - 2015-08-11 11:54:15 UTC
CCP has a fairly poor model for iteration.

Anything they say they want to do they will typically abandon after its first or second cycle of iteration, assuming it ever becomes a reality in the first place. When it doesn't become a reality, they will usually wait around 2 or 3 years minimum before giving a brief nod at the fact that whatever concept has been ditched.

It's a fairly scummy thing to do, considering the amount of money they rake out of the fanbase in order to tease such concepts at fanfest every year, but somebody in their company apparently feels fully justified in doing this.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-08-11 12:23:10 UTC
Robert Sawyer wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GZQzrBaKA <-- Tornadoes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_JteBc01fA <-- planetside cruising

Came across these videos after an hour or so of roaming through the EVE part of YT. Do these things still exist?


To be honest, atmospheric flight is something EVE should have tried to do properly LONG before WiS was attempted.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#7 - 2015-08-11 17:07:31 UTC
This i think is why FF15 was low on the 'cool stuff' they shifted the 'here are the pipe dreams we have' and made it more of a 'here is what we actually have coming this year'

Which is why some things mentioned at various places you since i'll say FF14 have to raise an eye brow. they mentioned perma death as a kinda 'we are thinking of doing this' comment... And due tot he fact that ccp seemed to be shifting to 'this is what we know is coming' kinda makes me think its in the pipe to come. (other comments along the same line at eve Vegas match up with this)

But yea old ccp was about showing stuff they for whatever reason could not do then just sweeping it under the rug. I think if they focus on what they can and will do, eve will be better for it.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#8 - 2015-08-11 17:08:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Robert Sawyer wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GZQzrBaKA <-- Tornadoes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_JteBc01fA <-- planetside cruising

Came across these videos after an hour or so of roaming through the EVE part of YT. Do these things still exist?


To be honest, atmospheric flight is something EVE should have tried to do properly LONG before WiS was attempted.


agreed

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#9 - 2015-08-11 20:41:53 UTC
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-08-11 21:43:29 UTC
I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that in atmosphere flight doesn't work because Tritanium becomes unstable or some stuff
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11 - 2015-08-11 21:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I think Tritanium is the same as Titanium. CCP just changed one letter. It is currently used in spacecrafts on earth. Titanium can explode, yes, but you can read wikipedia when its possible. Alloyed Tritanium would have different properties, like alloyed titanium I think, that would fix any "instabilities".
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#12 - 2015-08-11 22:13:04 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#13 - 2015-08-12 02:43:12 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that in atmosphere flight doesn't work because Tritanium becomes unstable or some stuff



You mold lore around gameplay, not gameplay around lore.


Doing this in the wrong order results in a really crappy game.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-08-12 07:28:10 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that in atmosphere flight doesn't work because Tritanium becomes unstable or some stuff



You mold lore around gameplay, not gameplay around lore.


Doing this in the wrong order results in a really crappy game.


Well, seeing as you can happily play Eve without giving 3 craps about the lore behind it and how whoever comes up with it also comes up with lots of contradictions within their own lore, I don't think it matters either way. If they want atmospheric flight, we'll have atmospheric flight. It's just going to be another one of those contradictions, like the one where capsuleers manage to get out of their ships ^^
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#15 - 2015-08-12 11:27:43 UTC
There was the tornado thing, Caldari mission, it looked really cool. But I think that was taken out when they shoved WiS into the game. Might have been the last part of recon.

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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#16 - 2015-08-12 15:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Yea the last part of Recon had the tornado. One other mission did as well. They used to move a lot too. One patch broke their movement so that they were mostly still, and the next one removed them entirely. Nobody ever bothered to fix them, cause I mean heaven forbid we retain cool immersive stuff.

When I first started playing I remember hearing that there was a space tornado around the eve gate which would only appear a little while before downtime. Of course, I never once bothered actually traveling there to find out. I suppose it was probably just mythos, but it was a cool thing to hear when I was new to the game.
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#17 - 2015-08-12 16:52:32 UTC
Space weather would be awesome, even if it's not quite realistic. It makes the universe feel less static and predictable.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#18 - 2015-08-12 17:12:28 UTC
Its raining asteroids in the space, good stoning everyday, and the wind is solar and it can roast you like a duck. Also very dry out there.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#19 - 2015-08-12 18:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Chance Ravinne wrote:
Space weather would be awesome, even if it's not quite realistic. It makes the universe feel less static and predictable.



That's where the fi part of sci-fi comes into play. This is allowed.

And its not as though groundwork was not laid out previously and aptly abandoned, in typical CCP fashion.

"Region: Trace Cosmos

The fields of Trace Cosmos hold miniscule black holes and weird spatial rifts, making it much too dangerous to traverse. It is widely believed that the fields are the remnants of a massive collision between two galaxies millions of years ago. The colossal occurrence permanently altered the areas most affected, turning them into barren death traps."

"Region: The Cauldron

In the Cauldron the remnants of several supernovas render the space unstable and treacherous. Filled with volatile gravity currents and large chunks of stellar debris the whole area is much too dangerous for space travel. The Cauldron lies between the Amarr Empire and the Khanid Kingdom and acts as a convenient natural barrier between the two hostile factions. "

"Region: Core of the Elements

Winding through the Syndicate region is a natural phenomenon that has baffled scientists for centuries. The phenomenon, a super-dense dark cloud, bends time in such a way that all space-travel in or close to the phenomenon is impossible, or at least extremely hazardous. Most scientists believe that the Cord is the remnant of collision between two black holes millions of years ago that permanently 'scarred' space. Others believe the Cord to be the result of a science experiment, possibly conducted by alien life forms, that went seriously awry eons ago."

"Region: Vapor Sea

Vapor Sea, also known as Crib of Stars, is a melding pot of gaseous clouds where new stars are being born. Although new stars and solar systems are still millions of years away the area is of great interest to scientists. The lack of gravity wells makes it impossible to create stargates anywhere near the area."


There's all the justification you need for crazy ass space weather.
OverlordY
Interspan
#20 - 2015-08-12 18:36:12 UTC
I remember a few years ago i was on SISI. Devs were playing about spawning all kinds of things in.

Giant fire tornadoes, then a lightning storm. Static fire and ice comets which has really cool effects. !

All came to nothing of course...

Just like the Minmatar bar WIS demo...