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Dear EVE from a trial player

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#21 - 2015-08-11 05:43:44 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE

Hnnnhgh tentacles.

Also is it bad that I've a funny feeling this thread is a troll?



Possibly, or it could just be someone that came here with their only gaming experience being in games where setbacks are relatively minor ('restart this level, kiddo') and only inflicted by poor AI high stat opponents.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Candi LeMew
Division 13
#22 - 2015-08-11 05:51:34 UTC
I'm prolly just getting overly cynical.

Seen too many 'new characters' make strangely insightful (for 3 days old) goodbye posts like this blaming well-known 'bad guy' groups. And of course the classic reverse-troll where a 'new character' has an epiphany regarding pvp or eve's harshness and how much they love it (back slapping and invitations to fly with notorious bad guys ensues).

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#23 - 2015-08-11 07:04:02 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
OP I can save you a lot of trouble. Eve is not the game for you. Your time would be better spent playing something you enjoy.

Some people will tell you things like "every interaction is PvP' or that "you consent to PvP just by logging on". Those things may be at best misleading and IMHO proveabley false. Regardless of the extreeme edges of opinion the one thing that I think you will get large agreement on by the player bases is that in eve you can be PvPed anytime that you undock and in Eve almost anything goes.

The very guys that you are asking CCP to make go away are the very guys that they hold up as poster children. The Devs of this game pride themselves on the ruthlessness of the game. If you are trying to put rubber pads or training wheels on Eve you are fighting a loosing battle.

Eve is what it is. It is a game that is not for everyone and is a niche game with a dedicated player base. If Eve is not for you that is cool and I understand. Go play something that is. Just don't come to this game and claim that it has to change to suit your tastes.


I'm not going to tell the OP to go away.

Instead, OP, think of it this way. Every game has the potential for players to encounter setbacks. Some are minor (start this level again), others are more serious (losing a hardcore character in Path of Exile or Diablo).

EVE lets you choose where on the spectrum to play. You can risk nothing by flying in dirt cheap ships and it's more like the 'start this level again' end. Or you can fly more powerful, more expensive ships and risk ruin if you miscalculate. The choice is yours.

Also EVE differs from most games in that when you suffer a setback, it's often a cunning player inflicting it, where in most games it's some sort of NPC with godawful AI.

CCP have analysed the percentage of new players that leave the game and have found that people who get involved in PVP early are much more likely to remain in the game, even if they come off the loser in their early encounters.


Good post, Sabriz.

What is disturbing to me is how many people in New Player Q&A immediately tell him to get lost. Seriously, if he is just trolling, you proved his point. And if he is not, then you are part of the problem. "Welcome to Eve, now take a step back and literally go **** yourself right in the face!" would have been more welcoming than most of the posts in this thread.

OP - welcome to Eve. Have fun, don't fly what you cannot afford to lose, and feel free to ask questions.

Edit - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#24 - 2015-08-11 07:16:17 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:


OP - welcome to Eve. Have fun, don't fly what you cannot afford to lose, and feel free to ask questions.

Edit - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems



But like I said, ask them here (where we are friendly).

Had this been asked in C&P I'd have written the name down for future corrective action.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Black Pedro
Mine.
#25 - 2015-08-11 07:43:16 UTC
Tarrum Tivianne wrote:
Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve.
Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp.

Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it.

BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window.

Eve is not like many other games in that it provides a large amount of player freedom. With that freedom, comes the possibility that others will choose to "be the villain" and affect your gameplay. Don't worry, there are plenty of ways to counter such criminals, at least in highsec, but you may have to adjust how you play the game to account for the risk from other players.

Extortion is legal gameplay. Why should new players be isolated from the real game? You do have protection in the rookie systems, but beyond that you are playing with the rest of us.

Since you are interested in reading about the game, I suggest you thoroughly look at the New Pilot FAQ that CCP published. It will help you understand what type of game this is and what you can expect from other players. Pay particular attention to the fact that Eve is a "full-time PvP in a sandbox environment" which means you are always in constant competition with the other players.

If that is not the type of game you are looking for, then better to find that out now during the trial than after you invest your time and money into the game. If it is, enjoy the challenge, and fly safe out there as no place is safe in New Eden!
Beta Maoye
#26 - 2015-08-11 07:53:32 UTC
Sometimes I think EVE Online should be advertised with a subtitle as space gangsters online so that new players can immediately understand the core nature of the game. Thus newbie's disappointment and frustration due to false expectation of the game can be avoided in day one.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#27 - 2015-08-11 08:12:02 UTC
Speaking as a proud carebear who enjoys the industrial gameplay in EVE:

Non consensual PVP is part of the risk/reward balance in EVE. If CODE (and others) didn't exist, there would be a lot more competition leading to lower prices for the ore you harvest.

EVE gives you choices - you can fly a high risk ship that holds more ore (Retriever) or a low risk ship that holds less (Procurer). You can make the high risk choice of fitting the ship for maximum yield or the low risk choice of fitting maximum tank. In either case the ship will pay for itself in a few hours mining - even less if you buy insurance. I can also assure you from personal experience that getting blown up doesn't hurt.

I do not recommend buying a permit - that's just role play - they're in it for the explosions.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#28 - 2015-08-11 08:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
give the guy a break he is still in trial What?

code are just some alliance that think they own highsec, they dont go places where people can shoot them because they would run out of isk and just become cannon fodder to real pvp players, dont pay them anything, learn to tank your ship and laugh in local when they fail.

oh you aint met the wardeccers yet, they are worse Big smile

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-08-11 08:26:51 UTC
Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here.

As for the actual post, eve is defined by the existence of non-consensual pvp. As you have seen, activities that would get you banned instantly in most games are not only allowed, but are considered normal gameplay in eve. This is one of the main draws of the game, some of the others being a unique form of combat that emphasizes movement over positioning, large scale fights, mass production instead of crafting, the knowledge that when you stake a claim to a territory, it is yours for as long as you live there and fight for it, not just until you log off, and most importantly, all this is on a single shard in which your actions can affect players that you haven't even met.

If you came here expecting a traditional MMO experience this won't be for you. Go back to your belt or the tutorials. Talk in local. Google stuff to do. Be creative. Just don't expect to sit there and mine without player interaction.

Contact me if you want a wingmate.

Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information.

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Avvy
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-08-11 08:31:08 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
eve is defined by the existence of non-consensual pvp.




I really don't get why people say this, as I see it as consensual PvP.

It's a PvP game, you consent by playing it.



Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#31 - 2015-08-11 08:35:28 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here.


yeah thats what i thought, guy is only a trial account, could have potential to be a good pvp pilot but instead of advice he gets flamed from post #1 not really a good impression Roll

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-08-11 08:42:03 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here.


yeah thats what i thought, guy is only a trial account, could have potential to be a good pvp pilot but instead of advice he gets flamed from post #1 not really a good impression Roll

Yeah, I realized something was wrong when Sabriz had the most welcoming post on the front page of a "GRR CODE" thread.

Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#33 - 2015-08-11 09:16:11 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here.


yeah thats what i thought, guy is only a trial account, could have potential to be a good pvp pilot but instead of advice he gets flamed from post #1 not really a good impression Roll

Yeah, I realized something was wrong when Sabriz had the most welcoming post on the front page of a "GRR CODE" thread.


This was my first thought as well.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Candi LeMew
Division 13
#34 - 2015-08-11 09:20:28 UTC
Sadly I think that's actually more common than we think here in NQ&A.

But people will always do what they're allowed to get away with.

I used to enjoy posting help in this subsection a bit, but would often find myself too distracted by the flamey or arrogant responses from some vets and ultimately just end up in arguments with them myself more than actually making helpful posts. That's not fun or helpful so I just gave up posting in the end, unless I see a question that's directly related to what I enjoy in EVE so I can contribute something useful.

Not that I've contributed anything useful at all in this one ... but I've just been in a spammy mood today. Oops

It just happens.

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Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#35 - 2015-08-11 09:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here.


yeah thats what i thought, guy is only a trial account, could have potential to be a good pvp pilot but instead of advice he gets flamed from post #1 not really a good impression Roll

Yeah, I realized something was wrong when Sabriz had the most welcoming post on the front page of a "GRR CODE" thread.

Hay, I gave him genuine advice (admittedly in a whimsical fashion but still!).

They're not all that hard to avoid and ****ing with CODE. Is great fun Big smile.

Candi LeMew wrote:
Sadly I think that's actually more common than we think here in NQ&A.

But people will always do what they're allowed to get away with.

I used to enjoy posting help in this subsection a bit, but would often find myself too distracted by the flamey or arrogant responses from some vets and ultimately just end up in arguments with them myself more than actually making helpful posts. That's not fun or helpful so I just gave up posting in the end, unless I see a question that's directly related to what I enjoy in EVE so I can contribute something useful.

Not that I've contributed anything useful at all in this one ... but I've just been in a spammy mood today. Oops

It just happens.

Hmmm in my experience here it's generally only the most obnoxiously entitled ones who get flamed in here,
usually it's fairly straightforward advice, answering questions and generally divulging information.

That said this one turned ugly (for ncq&a) quickly but I think that's to do with the abnormal amount of "grrrr CODE." Threads at the moment, still no excuse and I'll apologies if I contributed in a less than constructive manor.
Haruchai Khan
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-08-11 10:27:52 UTC
If you do all the Career Missions at the start, you get given two Ventures (one from the Business agent, one from the Industry)

I thought this was duplication, but then considered that right away, one has a back-up if your mining gets interrupted by PvP. I'd like to think that this was by design, so new players experimenting with mining can lose a ship with no penalty whatsoever (aside from the psychological blow/learning experience).

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Livonia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
#37 - 2015-08-11 10:42:30 UTC
I'm intrigued as to what you all might think of this...

EvE Forum

Steam Forum

It certainly sparks my curiosity.

I pew you too! <3

Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-08-11 12:19:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
^^ I caught that myself about 10 minutes ago, I'm going for troll and have posted as much over on steam

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.

Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-08-11 12:21:16 UTC
Internet detectives FTW? :D

Have to give the OP credit though, for a troll, they did fairly well at concealing their trollyness.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#40 - 2015-08-11 12:30:51 UTC
Vendraen wrote:
Internet detectives FTW? :D

Have to give the OP credit though, for a troll, they did fairly well at concealing their trollyness.

Ah, the carebear troll got me. And I thought my view of the carebear could not get any lower, yet here we are.

Shame on you OP. Wasting the time of the good people of this forum just to promote your change-Eve-to-be-what-I-want-it-to-be agenda by pretending to be a new player. Take that stuff to the F&I where it can be properly debunked or ridiculed as the case may be.

Here is the full link to the steam thread: https://steamcommunity.com/app/8500/discussions/0/541907867788061137/